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The purpose of this thread is to post questions, feedback, and report issues with ExpertFlyer. The ExpertFlyer team will respond as soon as possible from the ExpertFlyer Voice account (usually within 24 hours except on weekends).

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Seat Maps: we're currently not able to show seat maps for flights departing within the next 24 hours for several airlines: DL, BA, QR , ANA, B6, & JL
Searches currently not working:
  • Upgrades - AY, BA, EK, EY, IB, QR, VS
  • Awards - AY, BA, IB, EY, QR, VS

To search AA upgrades:
  • Use the Award & Upgrade tool
  • Only search for individual segments (set the "Connection Preference" drop-down to "Direct/Non-Stop only"). Flight results that are part of a connection won't show the upgrade version of C or A inventory because AA only files upgrade inventory as individual, not married, segments. (Married segments show revenue inventory instead of upgrade inventory.)
  • To avoid confusion, check the "Exclude Codeshares" box, as AA awards and upgrades are not valid on codeshares.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 4:42 pm
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Thanks EF, you were invaluable in aiding my booking for July travel.

Now that I've booked my July trip, does EF offer the capability to monitor my scheduled flights in case one of them gets cancelled or changed?
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Old May 18, 2013 | 6:33 pm
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Originally Posted by drzoidberg
Thanks EF, you were invaluable in aiding my booking for July travel.

Now that I've booked my July trip, does EF offer the capability to monitor my scheduled flights in case one of them gets cancelled or changed?
You're welcome. No, that is not a service we offer, others such as http://www.flightstats.com offer it.
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Old May 19, 2013 | 10:17 pm
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Not showing all choices for revenue availability?

I try to search availability for XXX-ZZZ on YY airline. But only the first few are shown unless I select a later time of the day (say 12pm) to show the rest. It is annoying when doing multi-day search and can be misleading sometimes. Any solutions? Thanks.
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Old May 20, 2013 | 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by cloudybw
I try to search availability for XXX-ZZZ on YY airline. But only the first few are shown unless I select a later time of the day (say 12pm) to show the rest. It is annoying when doing multi-day search and can be misleading sometimes. Any solutions? Thanks.
Without knowing what you mean by "first few" or knowing what search you were doing we can't really help you. The Flight Availability search can return as many as 12-25 flight segments (depending on the GDS used in the search). In cases where there are only 1-connection options, that results in 6-12 flight options. These limits are that of the GDSs and not ours, however that is why we include many request options to focus the results on what you are looking for, such as connection cities, time of day, airline, etc.

If you would like further help with your specific query, please email us at [email protected]
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:01 am
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Wondering if you can check out why the seat maps aren't matching up on a DL flight I have in a few weeks. On the DL site, most of the economy comfort seats are taken, while on EF it shows all seats as open (blocked). I wanted to set up a seat alert in EF, but since the seats show as open that won't do any good.

The flight is DL2309 on 12JUN2013 (ATL-STL), and here's the DL seat map:


Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Seat Map Search:
Departing ATL on 06/12/13 for STL
Flying DL flight 2309 in Economy

        A   B   C       D   E   
10      X   X   X       X   X       
11      X   X   X       X   X       
12      X   X   X       X   X       
13      P   +   P       -   P       
14      P   +   -       P   P       
15      -   +   P       P   P       
16      P   +   -       P   P       
17      -   +   -       -   -       
18      -   +   -       -   -       
19      -   +   -       -   -       
20      +   +   -       -   -       
21      +   +   -       -   -       
22      -   +   +       -   -       
23  W   +   +   +       +   -   W   
24  E   P   P   P       P   P   E   
25  E   -   P   P       P   P   E   
26  W   +   +   -       -   -   W   
27  W   -   -   -       +   +   W   
28  W   -   +   +       +   +   W   
29  W   +   +   +       +   +   W   
30      +   +   +       +   +       
31      +   +   +       +   +       
32  E       P   P       +   +   E   
33  E   P   +   +       +   +   E   
34      +   +   +       +   +       
35      X   X   X       X   X       
36      X   X           X   X       
        A   B   C       D   E   




Seats
Premium Only             P                        
Available                +                        
Handicap-Accessible      H                        
Paid & Premium           #                        
Occupied                 -                        
Blocked                  X                        
Lavatory                 L                        
Paid                     $                        

Location
Exit Row                 E                        
Wing                     W                        
Upper Deck               U
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Old May 23, 2013 | 11:31 am
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Originally Posted by roknroll
Wondering if you can check out why the seat maps aren't matching up on a DL flight I have in a few weeks. On the DL site, most of the economy comfort seats are taken, while on EF it shows all seats as open (blocked). I wanted to set up a seat alert in EF, but since the seats show as open that won't do any good.

The flight is DL2309 on 12JUN2013 (ATL-STL), and here's the DL seat map:
Hi roknroll, this was recently ask/answered in post #227 above

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Old May 23, 2013 | 12:37 pm
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Hi roknroll, this was recently ask/answered in post #227 above
I see that, but that isn't how it looks on every other flight. EC seats will always show as blocked when they are available, but every other flight I check shows them as taken in EF when they are taken on DL. The only time I've seen it act in the way you describe is when seats are truly blocked by DL. They show as taken on the DL seat map, and show as blocked on EF (i.e. crew rest, saved for families/children, etc).

Here's an example of a different flight on the trip. This is how ExpertFlyer and the DL seat may typically look for me, with EF showing the taken economy comfort seats:



Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Seat Map Search:
Departing STL on 06/12/13 for SLC
Flying DL flight 2420 in Economy

        A   B   C       D   E   F   
4       -   X   -       X   X   -       
5       -   X   -       -   X   -       
6       -   -   -       -   X   -       
7   W   -   -   -       -   +   -   W   
8   W   -   +   -       -   -   -   W   
9   E   -   P   -       -   -   -   E   
10  W   -   +   -       -   -   -   W   
11  W   P   +   -       -   +   P   W   
12  W   -   -   -       -   -   -   W   
13  W   -   -   -       -   +   -   W   
14      -   -   -       -   -   -       
15      -   -   -       -   -   -       
16      -   -   -       -   +   -       
17      -   -   -       -   +   -       
18      -   -   -       -   -   -       
19      -   -   -       -   +   -       
20      -   -   -       -   +   -       
21      X   X   X       X   X   X       
22      X   X   X       X   X   X       
        A   B   C       D   E   F   




Seats
Premium Only             P                        
Available                +                        
Handicap-Accessible      H                        
Paid & Premium           #                        
Occupied                 -                        
Blocked                  X                        
Lavatory                 L                        
Paid                     $                        

Location
Exit Row                 E                        
Wing                     W                        
Upper Deck               U
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Old May 23, 2013 | 2:24 pm
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Originally Posted by roknroll
I see that, but that isn't how it looks on every other flight. EC seats will always show as blocked when they are available, but every other flight I check shows them as taken in EF when they are taken on DL. The only time I've seen it act in the way you describe is when seats are truly blocked by DL. They show as taken on the DL seat map, and show as blocked on EF (i.e. crew rest, saved for families/children, etc).

Here's an example of a different flight on the trip. This is how ExpertFlyer and the DL seat may typically look for me, with EF showing the taken economy comfort seats:
That is not always the case. You'll notice in your example that seats 4D,E are shown as Blocked on ExpertFlyer but Unavailable on Delta.com. There is no set pattern to it, which is why we say that the true EC seat status isn't shown.
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Old May 23, 2013 | 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice
That is not always the case. You'll notice in your example that seats 4D,E are shown as Blocked on ExpertFlyer but Unavailable on Delta.com. There is no set pattern to it, which is why we say that the true EC seat status isn't shown.
Okay, so it is on DL's end, and I can handle if true EC seat status isn't shown. I just wanted to clear it up, since your initial post said the Economy Comfort seats will never work with seat alerts, and that DL will always show them blocked or occupied.

In my experience looking at DL seat maps, ExpertFlyer most of the time shows an accurate seat map for the DL EC seats. Blocked usually means opened, and occupied usually means occupied. When setting up a seat alert, you can check "treat blocked seats as available" and the seat alert will indeed work (most of the time). When the seat changes from occupied to blocked, the alert triggers saying it is open.

Also every case (before this one) where blocked seats on EF, which usually mean available, are taken on a DL seat map is for 2-3 seats in the right aisle bulkhead (like my example). Not sure why it is usually those seats though.
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Old May 24, 2013 | 9:47 am
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Fares listing

There is an issue with fares listing when there are many fares. I think it could be the issue with how GDS response is converted into text which is displayed rather than a GDS glitch.

For example, I search fares from NYC to MOW on any airline with 19 June and 29 June outbound and inbound respectively.

It is clear that the list of fares breaks somehow between AZ economy fare VHWB67US (USD1061) and OS business fare DRC14E (USD 6676). If I filter business only I only get one business fare before the above OS fare which is current AY sale fare (ICAMPUS, USD 891). So tons of fares are lost.

These are only shown when specific airlines search is done, which is not very convenient and promises that I can miss good deals


I have sent the same to the e-mail, thanks!
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Old May 24, 2013 | 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by Keter
There is an issue with fares listing when there are many fares. I think it could be the issue with how GDS response is converted into text which is displayed rather than a GDS glitch.

For example, I search fares from NYC to MOW on any airline with 19 June and 29 June outbound and inbound respectively.

It is clear that the list of fares breaks somehow between AZ economy fare VHWB67US (USD1061) and OS business fare DRC14E (USD 6676). If I filter business only I only get one business fare before the above OS fare which is current AY sale fare (ICAMPUS, USD 891). So tons of fares are lost.

These are only shown when specific airlines search is done, which is not very convenient and promises that I can miss good deals


I have sent the same to the e-mail, thanks!
This has nothing to do with a specific airline search, it's a limitation where the GDS can only return ~250 fares at once. So what we do is 2 searches, one sorted by low fares first, the other with high fares first, and combine them. So in cases where there are more then ~500 fares for your search, there may be a gap in the middle.

Specifying airline(s) limits the fare results to <500 and will therefore get all fares returned. You can also limit the search results by specifying a fare class.

There is also a rough way to limit by cabin. If you enter F, C, W or Y into the Fare Basis Code field then for some types of fare searches you'll see results mostly limited to one of those cabins. However it's not perfect and it doesn't always work, unfortunately the GDS doesn't give us a true way to limit a fare search to a specific cabin in the request.

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Old May 24, 2013 | 12:38 pm
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find BF on multi-destination

Hello,

I'm new user of expertflyer and I want know if it's possible to specify "multi-city" on destination when I use "Fare Information Search" tool with "Show Fares for All Travel Dates" option checked
I just want find lowest fare from an specific airport to multi-airport destination ...

Thanks,
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Old May 24, 2013 | 2:09 pm
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Hello,

I'm new user of expertflyer and I want know if it's possible to specify "multi-city" on destination when I use "Fare Information Search" tool with "Show Fares for All Travel Dates" option checked
I just want find lowest fare from an specific airport to multi-airport destination ...

Thanks,
Fares are filed as either one-way or round-trip. Multi city itineraries are priced using parts of those filed fares. Since ExpertFlyer just shows the published tariffs, and doesn't price specific itineraries, you should use a website that sells tickets to price of your specific itinerary, then you can see what fare basis codes are being used.
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Old May 24, 2013 | 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice
There is also a rough way to limit by cabin. If you enter F, C, W or Y into the Fare Basis Code field then for some types of fare searches you'll see results mostly limited to one of those cabins. However it's not perfect and it doesn't always work, unfortunately the GDS doesn't give us a true way to limit a fare search to a specific cabin in the request.
OK, clear how it works.

At the same time GDSs allow to search fares by cabin, could you please look if you can implement this?
If you need specific commands for a given GDS, please let me know by e-mail and will see what I have.
This type of search would increase the value of the tool as the 'middle' in our case would include best fares in business/ first which may not be seen otherwise unless we search a specific airlines.

Thanks!
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Old May 24, 2013 | 2:58 pm
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OK, clear how it works.

At the same time GDSs allow to search fares by cabin, could you please look if you can implement this?
If you need specific commands for a given GDS, please let me know by e-mail and will see what I have.
This type of search would increase the value of the tool as the 'middle' in our case would include best fares in business/ first which may not be seen otherwise unless we search a specific airlines.

Thanks!
No they don't, not for a tariff search. They do for a low-fare pricing search, but that is a different type of search. We have already discussed this with our GDS providers and there isn't a way to ask for a specific cabin with a tariff search, just a fare class or fare basis code.
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