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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 4:00 pm
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Originally Posted by gfunkdave
Yeah. Though I have to admit (and reiterate) that this is the first iPhone I've ever seriously considered.

I'm going to wait until later in the year, when we see what HTC cooks up after having seen the new iPhone's specs. Something like that with Froyo could be...very compelling.
I was going to wait for Win 7 Mobile, and just hang with my BB Bold until the end of the year, but I'm getting that iPhone on launch day. The neato iPad sold me on the whole experience. Still will have the BB, but it will share my affection with the i4.

Waiting's for adults.
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 4:50 pm
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Originally Posted by ScottC
Biased = doesn't drink the Apple koolaid
That's not what I would call it. I'm using the normal definition of the word.

Step 1: Admit you have a problem, Scott.

There's nothing wrong with criticism, IMO. There is a bias issue when you apply different criteria to the same products from different companies and use that to tell everybody else how one of those companies continues to suck, no matter what they do.

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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 6:38 pm
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Originally Posted by ScottC
Biased = doesn't drink the Apple koolaid

Stay classy!
Trying to stay classy here, but I have to agree with the post above. The simple use of the term "Apple koolaid" in the manner you used it indicates a clear bias.
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 7:20 pm
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http://www.petitionapplecompetition.com/
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 7:31 pm
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Originally Posted by planemechanic
Trying to stay classy here, but I have to agree with the post above. The simple use of the term "Apple koolaid" in the manner you used it indicates a clear bias.
No it doesn't. I *LOVE* Apple products. I have an iPhone 3GS, an iPad 3G, several ipods and I still have a massive stash of antique Apple products (including a 20th anniversary Mac). I bought an iPod the first day I could - and paid $590 for it (in Europe).

What I don't buy into is their marketing where relatively minor technology has become magical. Even the claims Steve Jobs made about his new Retina Display have been debunked. Their amazing "in house designed" A4 chip turns out to be nothing more than a normal ARM core with a few tweaks. The list goes on - they have turned marketing into their core method of doing business - specs have taken a second row seat, and that is a shame. Perhaps that is the geek in me - but I still like raw specs, and I like numbers - not fairy tales about magic.

So no - I am not biased. I love Apple, I love what they are doing for the industry and I love how the industry is still following them instead of leading. What I am is a geek, and one that is critical about how they are doing their marketing.
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bean
You know what's better than signing petitions? Voting with your wallet.

Don't like Apple's business practices, don't buy their products, don't sic the FTC on them.

They don't have a monopoly in the phone business anyways.

On what grounds would the govt. force Apple to put certain apps. in the App. Store anyways.

Maybe Google could press a case that preventing them or AdMob from collecting customer data is anti-competitive.
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 8:39 pm
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Originally Posted by wco81
You know what's better than signing petitions? Voting with your wallet.

Don't like Apple's business practices, don't buy their products, don't sic the FTC on them.

They don't have a monopoly in the phone business anyways.

On what grounds would the govt. force Apple to put certain apps. in the App. Store anyways.

Maybe Google could press a case that preventing them or AdMob from collecting customer data is anti-competitive.
Or better yet, vote with your computer and jailbreak your device. There is not much stopping you from opening up your phone and doing what you want with it.

That said - I do suspect the AdMob thing is going to turn nasty very soon.
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 10:57 pm
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Originally Posted by ScottC
Or better yet, vote with your computer and jailbreak your device. There is not much stopping you from opening up your phone and doing what you want with it.

That said - I do suspect the AdMob thing is going to turn nasty very soon.
Yup - every iDevice I own is jailbroken, although this does come with a small risk. Still, the App Store restrictions on apps that duplicate functionality (current or even future ) or do a better job than existing "OEM" apps, is anticompetitive. Plus, the App Store has 100% market share (for non JB'd iPhones), and the pricing power gained from that is also anti-consumer.
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 11:26 pm
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16)

Hmm. I checked and seem to be eligible for an upgrade.
And what is she getting in exchange?
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 11:29 pm
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Yup - every iDevice I own is jailbroken, although this does come with a small risk. Still, the App Store restrictions on apps that duplicate functionality (current or even future ) or do a better job than existing "OEM" apps, is anticompetitive. Plus, the App Store has 100% market share (for non JB'd iPhones), and the pricing power gained from that is also anti-consumer.
Doesn't Microsoft have a 100% market share for original OEM software from Microsoft too? Pricing power? I thin something like 65% of all apps are FREE. Boy, they sure seem to be abusing that "power".
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Old Jun 9, 2010 | 11:56 pm
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Originally Posted by stimpy
For the better display (which should make less work for my eyes) alone I will probably buy one of these. But I don't know when it will reach France and how much Orange will charge.
June 24, according to the welcome page, http://mobile-shop.orange.fr/
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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 12:22 am
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Originally Posted by planemechanic
Doesn't Microsoft have a 100% market share for original OEM software from Microsoft too? Pricing power? I thin something like 65% of all apps are FREE. Boy, they sure seem to be abusing that "power".
But MS don't require you to go to a MS store in order to buy 3rd party software

What I've never understood though is why Apple use itunes which has to be one of the crappiest pieces of software produced in the last 20 years. As it is the main piece of Apple software used by non-MacOlytes it doesn't exactly give a good impression of the company.
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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 2:54 am
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1_3 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7E18 Safari/528.16)

Hmm. I checked and seem to be eligible for an upgrade.
And what is she getting in exchange?
That is a most excellent post. Gave me quite a
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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 4:18 am
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Originally Posted by alanR
But MS don't require you to go to a MS store in order to buy 3rd party software
they absolutely do with windows phone 7, and they'll also be approving all software sold in the windows marketplace for it.

What I've never understood though is why Apple use itunes which has to be one of the crappiest pieces of software produced in the last 20 years. As it is the main piece of Apple software used by non-MacOlytes it doesn't exactly give a good impression of the company.
nothing is perfect, but it's far from crappiest.
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Old Jun 10, 2010 | 5:29 am
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But MS don't require you to go to a MS store in order to buy 3rd party software
they absolutely do with windows phone 7, and they'll also be approving all software sold in the windows marketplace for it.

What I've never understood though is why Apple use itunes which has to be one of the crappiest pieces of software produced in the last 20 years. As it is the main piece of Apple software used by non-MacOlytes it doesn't exactly give a good impression of the company.
nothing is perfect, but it's far from crappiest.
I think iTunes is possibly the single most important factor in Apples success in recent years. And intentional or not, it works enough better on Macs than PCs to sell Macs.
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