Craig, I believe you. I have ead your posts and responses to my rantings, and those of others. I know you are doing your job as well as you can without proper direction. I have no problem with you, I just have a problem with moderators in general.

WHERE IS RANDY? Where is his explanation?


If Randy is concerned about server space than Omni..The Cesspool of FT should be closed down. But then again, that would involve morerators which I oppose

Look at:

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/000926.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004515.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004606.html

http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004415.html

Over 1300 posts in 4 active?? threads


[This message has been edited by mikey1003 (edited 04-13-2002).]

Punki,

I do not believe I implied any inside knowledge as a Talkboard member in my post. It was my opinion, and mine alone.

My response was as follows: If twenty people have said they have heard from DOC, isn't that enough to indicate he is alright?

I am sure over 100,000 or more visitors to FT have not heard from DOC... do we need to hear from every one of them before we can close the thread?

You yourself indicated you just wanted to know if he was ok... and that you had tried emailing him with no success. You then indicated that it was your email system that was the problem... seems like you answered your own question.

As you saw, that thread moved into a "support vote" (which I voted) for Doc... and some negative comments started again (from the expected naysayers). It was obvious that the question you had asked had been answered... and the thread was going in a direction that I do believe you would agree was not where you had intended.

William

William,

I have to take exception to the "Naysayers" Comment.

Too often here on FT, a person who does not agree with the "Majority" is branded a "Complainer". This mob mentality is why there are very few dissenting opinions on threads like the one you referenced.

Please go back and read the thread again. Two memebrs simply stated that they did not miss doc. What is wrong with that? The opinion was not voiced in a mean sprited manner in the least. If voicing that opinion is not to be allowed, then voicing the other opinion should not be either. Especially when the "pro" camp starts stating that very few people disagree with them.

I have the utmost respect for you, but I think you are a little off here.

To quote what I believe to be Randy's statement btw anyone can practice anarchy while there.

[This message has been edited by magic111 (edited 04-13-2002).]

cb,

Well said.

punki,
a very low blow for mis-quoting what I said. GESTAPO! Give me a break.

Dan

Punki, it may almost be interpreted that had the doc thread not been locked, this thread would not exist.

I for one am quite relieved that the doc thread was closed. Thank you, Randy.

FewMiles..

How, specifically, dhammer53, did you anticipate that this statement would be interpreted:

While I am open to any other interpretations you might put forth, on its surface, a dictate from someone, especially someone in a leadership position, that we play by rules that aren't defined, is the embodiment of totalitarianism.

There is no question that this attitude (together with unmoderated flame wars) has resulted in some of our most valuable FlyerTalk contriutors moving on to greener cyber pastures. The wonder that is FlyerTalk today was built largely upon the free and respectful exchange of well thought out ideas (even sometimes very conflicting, but respectfully presented ideas).

I am always anxious and excited to consider intelligent, well-crafted, and polite opposing opinions and positions, such as those so eloquently put forth by robb and Craig. Sadly, there are far too many FlyerTalkers these day who are a bit too anxious to jump in and say, "You're Wrong" without going to the effort of putting forth a logical opposing position.

Additionally, referring to a grown woman as "Baby" is not considered to be in particularly good taste in this century.

My dear arturo, you are absolutely right that he who has the controls, (gold, bat, ball, whatever) makes the rules.

Having been in a position where I have had almost absolute power over most controllable aspects of my own life, and considerable power over many significant aspects of many other people's lives, for the past 30 years, I have learned a great deal about power and its temptations. While I certainly do not believe that absolute power inevitably corrupts absolutely, I do believe that those who hold power must be ever on guard that they do not accidentally slip into the habit of administering it without total regard to the effects that so doing will have upon others.

To fail herein always produces unwanted and not particularly pleasant results.

Now, my darling arturo can you please go back to arturospeak. I am too old to deal with such drastic change.

Y tu mi amor eres bello y tienes todo razon.

[This message has been edited by Punki (edited 04-13-2002).]

I hate guessing at what the "logical" position is, but I will take a guess at what a logical surmise might possibly be.
First I see your opinion being that a general travel talk forum at the beginning of FT would be the best "logical" idea for most newcomers to FT.
If I was the owner of FT (which I am not) I would want the first entry into FT to be my Flagship/Premier/Numero Uno offering for what has been my "bread & butter" (Miles and Points Information.) Although we can type eloquently on how this can work that fact is that prior to moderation and especially just a few short months ago someone entering FT for the first time and going to the first forum was plunked right down into the ghetto/barrio/ramblas of FT. There were for sure some hidden jewels but one was just as likely to be waylaid in an alley or the middle of a gang fight.
When i read in this thread that the moderator has only "....a lousy 28.8Kb dial up connection .... you want to scream." I wanted to cry. Craig6z has done a superb job in the ghetto/barrio/ramblas that was MileBuzz with essentially what is only a BB gun. If ever there is a "hero" of FT award given than I for sure nominate Craig6z.

With that sentiment, Magic, I most wholeheartedly agree, Craig does Rock the House!

With regard to the ghetto/barrio/ramblas of FlyerTalk, my recollection is that they resided primarily in OMNI, which was fine by me, I rarely went there then and probably wouldn't go there much now except I was turned on to the word association thread by a friend. The 138+ topics that have been removed from Miles Buzz in the past two months were not inflammatory or argumentative, they were just posts misplaced for the most part through innocent ignorance. There is no question that we need order and careful moderation, my suggestions are merely intended as a method to improve on the way in which those goals are achieved.

FlyerTalk is the extraordinary place that it is (maybe becoming was) not just because of the information contained thereon (most of the basic facts can be obtained on the program websites) but also because of the incomparable community that exists thereon. That community grew from folks who stumbled on the site and made their first posts (usually in The Buzz or Miles Buzz) were made to feel welcomed and stayed on, in many cases for years to come. I am just very concerned about those excellent people who I know for a fact have been driven away, some by total confusion, some by changes in policy, and many by inconsistent treatment of posters and lack of moderation.

I think FlyerTalk would be a far less valuable place if it got to the point where members of the community were discouraged from expressing their opinions unless those opinions fell into direct line with the opinions of the administration and/or the majority. I also think it is a sad day when posters are subject to insults from so-called leaders simply because they politely express an alternative point of view. To my mind that is very much gestapo thinking.



[This message has been edited by Punki (edited 04-13-2002).]

This is just a guess, but it may well be that dhammer was using "baby" as George Costanza did on Seinfeld, merely an exclamation point of sorts at the end of a sentence.

As for the rest of your argument, I would reiterate what I have said, but seeing that those who disagree strongly with you (and point out you have covered this ground before, while Randy has answered) are branded "emotional," I think maybe I should stop.

I cannot help but note you (and Dorian) have now opted to broaden this limited discussion into "double standards," FT-talk for "why was doc who never flamed anyone and is an invaluable asset to FT suspended while NJDavid gets away with all he does." This too is getting old.

I suspect this thread too is headed for lockdown, but if it ever does, I'm sure we can count on a new one to make the same arguments, with the same answers being offered.

If I can find the temporal singularity that created this thread, can we get back the real Arturo from the parallel universe?

Eddies in the space-time continuum.

Eddie who?