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tom911 Jan 27, 2012 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17897179)
That led me to become a lot more liberal and egalitarian in my thinking, including viewing OMNI as an equal part of this online community.

Right now it's only an equal part of the community for those with at least 6 months and 180 posts, so for members not meeting those requirements it's not part of their community. Until you treat OMNI exactly like and airline or hotel forum it's not equal. Now that OMNI posts count it should be made part of everyone's community here.

RichMSN Jan 27, 2012 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by CMK10 (Post 17898954)
I thought you were bowing out of the thread? Or did I read Post 601 incorrectly? :confused:

I'm bowing out of the discussion on motions that are decided. You know, like post counts. This is a new topic, albeit in an old thread.

If a moderator is watching, I think this thread should be closed. The vote is over and decided and further discussion here is not really productive. For other topics, new threads can be open.

RKG Jan 27, 2012 1:26 pm


Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 17899256)
I'm bowing out of the discussion on motions that are decided. You know, like post counts. This is a new topic, albeit in an old thread.

If a moderator is watching, I think this thread should be closed. The vote is over and decided and further discussion here is not really productive. For other topics, new threads can be open.

An excellent idea!^

kipper Jan 27, 2012 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 17899256)
I'm bowing out of the discussion on motions that are decided. You know, like post counts. This is a new topic, albeit in an old thread.

If a moderator is watching, I think this thread should be closed. The vote is over and decided and further discussion here is not really productive. For other topics, new threads can be open.

Or, if people want to discuss OMNI access requirements and such, perhaps the moderator could move those posts to the proper thread? :D

dhammer53 Jan 27, 2012 9:51 pm


Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 17899256)

If a moderator is watching, I think this thread should be closed. The vote is over and decided and further discussion here is not really productive. For other topics, new threads can be open.

You can certainly suggest this to the Moderator by using the triangle over there on the bottom left. ;)

kipper Jan 28, 2012 6:05 am


Originally Posted by dhammer53 (Post 17901649)
You can certainly suggest this to the Moderator by using the triangle over there on the bottom left. ;)

:D You're assuming he's not done that yet.

SkiAdcock Jan 28, 2012 8:35 am


Originally Posted by dhammer53 (Post 17901649)
You can certainly suggest this to the Moderator by using the triangle over there on the bottom left. ;)

I suggested it via a PM to the moderator, although it being a weekend he might be traveling as FTers often do. Three weeks discussion post-vote announcement is enough IMO. There are other things FTers are suggesting that we'd like to see comments on, such as Airlines of Russia, Event & Group Planning, Seattle forums, etc.

Cheers.

kokonutz Jan 28, 2012 9:00 am

Meh, imho, the problem is not that this thread is not locked. The problem is that the TB has not concluded voting on this issue, thereby putting it to rest for now.

As soon as the last TB member votes this thread will go dormant naturally as folks adjust to and experience the resultant paradigm for a while.

SkiAdcock Jan 28, 2012 9:17 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17903580)
Meh, imho, the problem is not that this thread is not locked. The problem is that the TB has not concluded voting on this issue, thereby putting it to rest for now.

As soon as the last TB member votes this thread will go dormant naturally as folks adjust to and experience the resultant paradigm for a while.

Actually THIS vote was concluded & posted on January 5th. Posts WILL count in Omni, so 3 weeks discussion is enough but that's just my personal opinion.

The other 2 votes aren't done yet (but will be late on Jan 31st), so if people would like to post in those threads, have at it! And for a few weeks after in those as well ;)

Cheers.

kokonutz Jan 28, 2012 9:23 am


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 17903670)
Actually THIS vote was concluded & posted on January 5th. Posts WILL count in Omni, so 3 weeks discussion is enough but that's just my personal opinion.

The other 2 votes aren't done yet (but will be late on Jan 31st), so if people would like to post in those threads, have at it! And for a few weeks after in those as well ;)

Cheers.

It passed but has not been implemented.

Once it is implemented (after the last TB member votes on the other part of this package of motions), all three of the threads will die down.

This is an unusual situation, where the issue remains open because implementation is being delayed even though the motion is complete. One that is being drug out unnecessarily, imho.

SkiAdcock Jan 28, 2012 12:06 pm


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 17903697)
Once it is implemented (after the last TB member votes on the other part of this package of motions), all three of the threads will die down.

koko, did you have too many bloody marys for breakfast? :p :D

FTers love to hash things out after the fact & in some cases to an ad nauseum extent. My guess is the other threads will live on for a few weeks, just as this one has because of the strong feelings on both sides. That was also the case several months ago when the topic came up for discussion, and the vote was announced. The thread still continued for a long while.

But on a dif note - since it's after noon (like that matters LOL), a mimosa/buck fizz sounds pretty good about now, so I'm off.

Cheers.

GUWonder Jan 28, 2012 4:11 pm


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 17893869)
It's not personal to Rich. It's a widespread question to anyone who thinks that Omni=Flyertalk. I believe that Omni is secondary to Flyertalk. And I am addressing all the TB members here, as well as everyone else who is interested in this topic. That's why this thread has stayed alive after the vote. We wouldn't still be discussing it here if there wasn't an issue that needed addressing and it's never good to stifle discussion.

I would like to see a motion that Flyertalk prominently displays on the Flyertalk home page, and at the top of Omni, that Omni is secondary to the travel forums on Flyertalk and that Flyertalk exists for travelers. Omni exists only for topics that fall outside of travel and those topics are not what this board is about. I don't know how motions work here, but if someone could present this for a vote I would be grateful.

When I first started reading FT, it was because of the airline programs. When I enrolled and started to post on FT, it was because of flight-related topics. Eventually, I gravitated to other parts of FT and now the parts of "miles and points" where I find the most extraordinary value -- other than the deal forums -- are the non-flyer parts of FT.

I appreciate the contributions others -- yourself included -- make to various threads/forums on FT which are not about airline program matters; and I find no reason why anyone's posts on those non-airline matters should be excluded from the counts as long as the posts are not a violation of the FT TOS at the time the posts were made. That's why I really don't mind this motion having passed.

GUWonder Jan 28, 2012 4:25 pm


Originally Posted by Cholula (Post 17897911)
There was a bit more to it than that although you've got the gist of how the decision was made. Both Pizzaman and I were new OMNI Mods when these decisions were made. Randy ran a bunch of stuff by us for our input but never got back to us after we gave it to him.

I was in favor of splitting the forum into OMNI/Lite and OMNI/PR but said that someone should have to be a registered FT member and logged in to view it. That would have kept out the Google bots.

He didn't follow my suggestion and instead opened it to everybody in the universe. And I don't think TB was involved with this in any manner but I don't remember.

It was and always has been the owner of this boards prerogative to do what they want with this board and when they want to. TB is simply an advisory board which is available when/if the owner wants our opinions about something. They're free to use us or not but I don't believe anybody on TB is under the impression that we run FT.

For some years prior to your and Pizzaman becoming OMNI moderators, OMNI was open to everyone. That it was open to everyone before was a major factor in why I never got moved by the complaints about OMNI being opened up as it was pretty much wide open from the year it got started.

kipper Jan 28, 2012 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by SkiAdcock (Post 17904554)
koko, did you have too many bloody marys for breakfast? :p :D

FTers love to hash things out after the fact & in some cases to an ad nauseum extent. My guess is the other threads will live on for a few weeks, just as this one has because of the strong feelings on both sides. That was also the case several months ago when the topic came up for discussion, and the vote was announced. The thread still continued for a long while.

But on a dif note - since it's after noon (like that matters LOL), a mimosa/buck fizz sounds pretty good about now, so I'm off.

Cheers.

Bolding mine, but this is also demonstrated by the exchange between you and koko. :D

Moderator2 Jan 29, 2012 7:59 am

Historically, I have not closed down threads, once a vote has ended. The vast majority die out on their own, but what benefit is it to the community by eliminating the opportunity for future comment/debate?


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