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Old Jun 5, 2017, 6:48 am
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Summary of key traveller experiences and feedback on this forum since Mid-June
  • Policy statement (link) for the travel industry issued 15th June 2017
  • Refund is always an option, but very varied experiences of how quickly the refund is processed, from a few days to "still waiting". Some experiences of passengers being pressurised into taking refunds when this is not necessary if you can wait.
  • If you want to reroute from a closed destination to another middle east destination still served by QR, you might be able to do this as early as 30 days from 1st sector, although we have had reports of rerouting at 6 weeks out.
  • Where QR have to reroute onto other carriers, long haul reroutes typically onto BA, CX and TK seem to be quoted most often. In the Gulf region ME, KU, WY are quoted most often. Although RJ is a OneWorld carrier and should be a parter for QR, they are not accepting QR rerouted tickets.
  • Status of reservations for travel to affected destinations typically changes to "Unconfirmed" 7 days ahead of travel.
  • If your booking was via a 3rd party or agent you probably can't get Qatar to change the ticket until 72 hours before the first sector. 3rd parties and agents seem to be offering refunds rather than rerouting, although there has been some success if you can show them the QR rebooking policy document.
  • There has been a very mixed bag of reports of how QR are handling rebooking. Some people have no luck getting itineraries changed before 72 hours before departure, but others do. So some good advice is to always be polite but if you don't get what you want, then thank the agent for their time and HUACA (hang up and call again) - preferably after you have had a drink and have calmed down, and maybe calling a different office.

Some specific data points from other travellers:
(but there is a lot more valuable information if you can trawl back through the thread)

#753 CAI-LHR-DOH been offered as alternative for ex-CAI 4 days prior to 1st sector.
#772 KUL-DOH-LXR reroute to CAI and IST refused
#792 AUH-DOH-DPS by QR rebooked to DXB-HKG-DPS by CX
#794 Australia-DOH-HBE rebooked as DOH-BEY on QR on 2nd attempt.
#808 CAI>DOH>BOS>DOH>CAI rebooked to KRT and date change
#818 SYD-DOH-CAI changed to SYD-DOH-KWI-CAI, layovers optimed and +Qatar stopover
#830 and #840 Economy ICN-DOH-DXB rebooked onto CX ICN-HKG-DXB
#849 ex-CAI ininaries changed to ex-AMM but needed to HUACA a few times.
#856 CAI-DOH-BKK changed to FCO-DOH-BKK all on QR
#868 DFW-DOH-HBE changed to DFW-DOH-LCA all on QR 2 weeks out.
#906 Unable to get LXR-DOH-HKG-BNE rerouted until 72 hours prior
#927 CAI-DOH-BKK rebooked onto CAI-BAH-AMM on Gulf DOH-BKK (on QR) and return back to AMM
#966 DXB-DOH (award ticket) was changed to DXB-KWI-DOH on Kuwait+QR 48hrs in advance
#966 DOH-CAI (2 award tickets) were changed to DOH-BEY on QR 48 hours advance
#966 CAI-DOH-MUC (paid business) were changed to BEY-DOH-MUC 72 hours advance
#981 HKT-DOH-DWC (J/F tix) change to HKT-DOH-KWI all on QR 10 days out.
#985 ex-LXR ticket rerouted by OTA as CAI-BEY-DOH outside the 72 hr window
#1004 BKK-DOH-CAI in F rebooked as BKK-DOH-BEY in QR F, BEY-CAI in C on ME
#1005 HEL-DOH-DXB rebooked HEL-DOH-MCT on QR and MCT-DXB on Oman once ticket status went to unconfirmed.
#1057 MAN-DOH-DXB rebooked as MAN-LHR-DXB on BA (had to HUACA 3 times)
#1141 Multiple ex-CAI itineraries CAI-DOK-BKK return in J, CAI-DOH-LHR return in J, CAI-DOH-BKK single in F changed to all be ex-KWI. Had to HUACA 3 times.
#1157 LXR-DOH-NRT booked in January, flight changed to CAI-DOH-NRT
#1172 Rebooked CAI-(F)-DOH(J)-BKK to CAI-(C/ME)-BEY-(F)-DOH-(C)-BKK at 77hrs from departure
#1173 Rebooked at QR office HBE-DOH-DPS to HBE-IST-DOH-DPS on TK/TK/QR and improved timing on DOS-DPS segment

Offical guidance from QR website as of mid July:

Passengers who have purchased their tickets from Qatar Airways have the following options to refund their tickets:

For tickets booked on qatarairways.com, they can:
  1. Go to Refund requests;
  2. They can approach their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  3. They can call the Qatar Airways contact Centre at +974 4022 0072
For tickets booked through a Qatar Airways Office or through the Contact Centre, passengers can
  1. Contact their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  2. Call Qatar Airways Contact Centre on +974 4022 0072
The refund will be made to the original form of payment and the refund will be processed within 14 - 28 days.
Passengers who have purchased their Qatar Airways tickets through a Travel Agency can request their refund from the issuing Travel Agent.
Within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kingdom of Bahrain and Egypt please use: https://refundsapp1.blueivysync.com/...er-refund.html

This is a different web form as the Qatar website is blocked from some of these countries.
For further information and FAQs please visit: http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
What Happened

On the 6th of June flights from Qatar to Bahrain, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (and vice versa) were suspended.

This includes all Qatar flights between Doha and Abu Dhabi, Abha, Alexandria–Borg el Arab, Bahrain, Buraydah, Cairo, Dammam, Dubai–Al Maktoum, Dubai–International, Gassim, Hofuf, Jeddah, Luxor, Madinah, Ras Al Khaimah, Riyadh, Sharjah, Tabuk, Ta'if and Yanbu.

Adding to this at 00:00 (UTC) on the 6th of June restrictions were put in place limiting flights to Doha to one particular corridor through the airspace of Bahrain. This has since been relaxed to two specific corridors through Bahrain airspace with a second corridor up the Saudi Arabia the new addition.

All other flights to other Qatar Airways destinations including the Maldives are still operating although some have delays due to the extended time required to avoid restricted airspace.

There are a couple of routes that are having to make fuel stops in Athens or Muscat but this seems to be dependent on the type of aircraft as well.

Details on the Airspace can be found here - https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/f...ain-and-egypt/

What about my Flights to other destinations?

Flights to Europe, Asia, Pacific and Norte America are operating as per schedule with minimal delays. There is no need to contact QR regarding these services.

Flights between Doha and Souto America are facing delays due to longer times and/or need for a technical stop-over. Flights to GRU and EZE are 2hr to 5hrs longer.

Flight between Doha and Africa/Middle East have longer flights times due to the airspace restrictions. Some routes like Doha to Khartoum have felt the full force of the restrictions with the flight now taking 2hr 30 mins longer than normal.

Qatar has begun to re-time flights to ensure the network continues running smoothly. Changes have been since Monday 12 June 2017, so it is advised to check your flight status and times on the Qatar website.


What about my flight to a suspended destination?

If you are due to fly in the next few days, search for alternative routings and note them down.

24 hours before your scheduled departure time, contact your LOCAL QR office, and ask for their assistance. Advise them that you have found an alternative routing which you would be willing to accept and see if they will book it for you.

If you are due to fly more than 5 days from today, try and relax. Do not panic and please do not call QR as you are blocking the lines for those flying in the next 24 hours. At this stage, Qatar is only offering options to those who are traveling in the next 24 hours.

Currently, people in the thread have suggested that Qatar is rebooking on flights through Muscat, Kuwait, Amman, Istanbul, Mumbai, Beirut, Athens and Tunis.

You can only get a refund if your booking is to one of the destinations listed at the top! (The number of people asking QR on Twitter for a refund of other flights is amazing)

What about other airlines?

Most other carriers in and out of Doha are still operating except for Air Arabia, Air Arabia Egypt, Air Cairo, EgyptAir, Emirates, Etihad, FlyDubai, Rotana Jet and Saudia.

Most other carriers are using the new restricted routes into Doha although provided the aircraft is not registered in Qatar they are allowed to use the Saudi Arabia or Egypt Airspace.

Timeline of Events:


5 June 2017

- UAE, KSA, Bahrain and Egypt withdraw licenses and close airspace
- All MS flights between CAI and DOH was zeroed out
- All GF flights between BAH and DOH closed for sale
- All QR flights between DOH and CAI closed for sale
- All QR staff travel was canceled

6 June 2017

- Airspace Restriction came into effect at 00:00 (UTC)
- All QR flights between DOH and UAE/Bahrain/KSA closed for sale
- QR flights between DOH and MLE still bookable
- QR Charters 3 aircraft from Jeddah to Muscat

7 June 2017
- QR Charters an aircraft from Jeddah to Kuwait

8 June 2017
- Qatar Airways website blocked in the UAE
- Qatar Airways offices in the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain close

11 June 2017
- Second flight corridor added along the Saudi Arabia Coast

13 June 2017
- UAE Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar but they are still not allowing flights between the UAE and Qatar from any operators.
- Egypt Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar. The new rules also allow for non Qatar or Egypt registered aircraft to operate flights between the two countries.

14 June 2017
- Agreement between QR and BA/A3 on reticketing passengers (link below)



Further information:
- QR Travel Alert http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...bile_site=true
- QR FAQs http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
- QR Charter flights arranged from Jeddah KSA to Muscat Oman http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...Muscat-to-Doha
- QR agreement with BA & A3 to reticket their flights http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...r-help-qr.html
- Political background and latest updates: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829
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Old Jun 11, 2017, 11:30 pm
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Originally Posted by 3544quebec
Hopefully not going too far off topic but my SYD-DOH-CAI trip tomorrow has been rerouted to SYD-DOH-KWI-CAI travelling in First. The transit in KWI is 12 hours!

On the Kuwait Airport website it states:

Anyone know how I avail myself of this ? Is QR responsible or Kuwait Air?
12 hours in Kuwait is going to suck! Sorry to read :/
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 1:06 am
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Originally Posted by VH-RMD
Ooooh..... that could prove annoying.

How far into the future was your onward ticket? Did it matter, would any onward ticket number do?
Two weeks. Apparently the UAE authorities CHECH the e-ticket number provided before the boarding passes are "released".

Interesting behind the scenes if you do a google search on Iraq, Qatar, hostage money - and how this has developed into the current situation affecting pax flying UAE-Doha on any route...
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 1:35 am
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Originally Posted by maxvor

I'm not sure this example is what you were looking for, though. This traveller simply had a rerouting, without change of origin/destination. If you change origin or destination, however, I highly doubt QR will reimburse any costs of positioning to/from that airport.
It was indeed the example I was looking for.

I refer you to post #s 399, 400, 402, 403, 404, 406, 407 and 709.

Initially there was an example of someone (tboons) trying to fly QR CAI-DOH; instead they paid for their own ticket RJ CAI-AMM to connect with a QR AMM-DOH flight.

Through the incredibly helpful contributions of fellow FTers I have been able to gain an improved understanding - before I contact QR directly - of what QR may/may not offer others in similar situations (in the case of myself, my wife and my son - QR ex-CAI tickets).

If there was any reference to a 'change of origin' in my earlier posts it was only in the context of what the contemporaneous situation appeared to be; i.e. get yourself from CAI to AMM and QR will assume the responsibility of flying you onwards from there.

QR27's feedback (post # 723) leads me to believe that QR will also assume the responsibility of re-routing my wife and son's CAI-DOH-HKG itinerary to CAI-AMM-DOH-HKG, and my own CAI-DOH-MNL itinerary to CAI-AMM-DOH-MNL: no change of origin or destination there.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 1:59 am
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Originally Posted by tmac100
Yesterday on a DXB-MCT-DOH ticket the WY agent said the UAE authorities required proof of flying out of DOH before I could check in baggage through to DOH and get my boarding passes. I had to fire up my computer at check in, and retrieve my ticket (DOH-elsewhere). The agent took my e-ticket number and entered it into the check-in system and there it was.The boarding pass and baggage were allowed for the DXB-MCT-DOH flight.

Otherwise I would have been "stuck" in the UAE with no way to fly out to DOH....

That said, entering the UAE and leaving (at passport control was easy enough..
That seems to be standard airline procedure, though why UAE authorities require to see that you are leaving DOH may be a misunderstanding on the agent's part? The airlines don't want to assume liability of you arriving at DOH (or any other int'l destination) without a way to leave the country, or a visa that shows you can be there indefinitely. They don't want to take the risk that you get turned away in DOH and this leads to them footing the bill for you to return to DXB.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 2:42 am
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Originally Posted by Davee58
This could be the same problem I have, as detailed a few posts above in post 725.
yes, sounds like we are in the same boat here. 24 hours is cutting it wayyyy too close but what other option do we have?

that said, I called the USA office and they seemed perfectly willing to rebook me on oman air straight away. but they didnt offer me the flights i wanted, so i declined for the moment and am hoping the qatar office (which approved my desired routing, just refused to do it till t-24) will play ball.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 3:20 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
Given the issue of insurance, plane financing and some other stuff, even rather secretive, closely/privately-held large companies may have a use for audited financial statements and be asked for "full disclosure" of some sort at times.
Originally Posted by iahphx
Whatever disclosures are made will almost certainly be inaccurate. These are not "normal" commercial airlines. They exist for the glory of their kingdoms, and don't worry too much about profit and loss.
Audited financial statements for the FY ending March 31, 2017 were released yesterday, June 11. Link. When you get to the landscape pages, click "Automatic Zoom" at the top center of the screen and select "Page Width" from the drop down menu.

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Old Jun 12, 2017, 3:37 am
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MyFlights just sent me a change of flight times for NBO DOH and DOH NBO.

NBO DOH departure time has been brought forward by 1 hr 25 min.

DOH NBO arrival time has been extended by 55 miniutes

Not had any communication from QR.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 4:33 am
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Originally Posted by roadwarriorafrica
MyFlights just sent me a change of flight times for NBO DOH and DOH NBO.

NBO DOH departure time has been brought forward by 1 hr 25 min.

DOH NBO arrival time has been extended by 55 miniutes

Not had any communication from QR.
it seems to take approx. 24hrs from the change being loaded onto their system and QR sending the notification email.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 5:33 am
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Only 48 hours to go before my flight, and I still don't know what is happening when I check out of my hotel on Wednesday. The Qatar office here in Kuala Lumpur was closed today due to Nazul Al Quran.

Earlier this afternoon I received my first e-mail from Qatar Airlines since this debacle started. With a subject of "Less than 48 hours left. Make it a holiday to remember" their reminder that the ticket sale ends tomorrow could not have been more badly timed or titled.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 5:52 am
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Originally Posted by Davehereford
Yes I live in Cairo wanted to go via a different city, one world emerald as well so did find it all about odd. I'm also flying in two weeks and the lady said it was new policy to deal with people within the next 72 hours I'm going to call again
Maybe that's new? Or just a "special agent"? I called a couple of days ago about my flight on Jul 1, and the agent I spoke to was able to change it from CAI to IST. She mentioned changeable within 500 miles of original airport.

HUCA?
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 6:20 am
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Looks like CAI-DOH has been zeroed out until 01Nov. As of last Friday the 9th, I was able to look up and book tickets departing in July.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 6:31 am
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Originally Posted by stefg1007

Looks like CAI-DOH has been zeroed out until 01Nov. As of last Friday the 9th, I was able to look up and book tickets departing in July.
Based on your post I've just checked expertflyer - they show QR CAI-DOH flights zeroed out until Sunday 29 October 2017 (start of winter schedule?), with availability from that day onwards.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 8:12 am
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And the result of QR refusing to reroute until 24hrs before your scheduled flight is getting a 12 hr connection in Kuwait because they say nothing else is available which is not surprising at that late stage.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by DanielW
Interesting article in the Guardian about how Qatar may seek reparations for costs to QR:



https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-emirate-bites
QR's CEO said as much to CNN. He also indicated some other interesting things about what this has meant for the airline and its passengers.
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Old Jun 12, 2017, 10:18 am
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
QR's CEO said as much to CNN. He also indicated some other interesting things about what this has meant for the airline and its passengers.
Maybe they'll send the bill straight to EK and EY?

Al Baker conceded that the blockade likely means his company will face “a difficult year,” but said that the airline has plans in place to mitigate the damage. His airline is stronger, he said, than Emirati-owned competitors like Etihad Airways and Emirates.

“If they think they are going to go laughing to the bank at Qatar’s cost, I think they are mistaken,” Al Baker said.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...o-trump-239422
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