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exerda Aug 16, 2006 10:44 am


Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
What make me think that you would have made the same threat assessment with respect to AA #11 at 8:44 a.m. on September 11, 2001?

I've got a novel idea . . . why don't we pin the blame for this diversion on the culpable party: the moron who allegedly disrupted the flight knowing full well that the airlines and security officials are on a hair trigger?

The practices in place as of 9/11 are completely different than today, and thus the comparison is not valid.

Number one, pilots were coached to cooperate with hijackers to avoid loss of life. They never expected planes to be turned into bombs.

Number two, cockpit doors have been reinforced, and procedures are in place to prevent access to the cockpit by would-be terrorists.

Number three, pax on planes will NOT allow the plane to be hijacked. 9/11 taught them that much.

With that in mind, why escort a plane with a hysterical pax?

GUWonder Aug 16, 2006 10:45 am


Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
What make me think that you would have made the same threat assessment with respect to AA #11 at 8:44 a.m. on September 11, 2001?

Nothing but conjecture, for those were the days before airlines and government officials could routinely get away with exhibiting batsy behavior.


Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
I've got a novel idea . . . why don't we pin the blame for this diversion on the culpable party: the moron who allegedly disrupted the flight knowing full well that the airlines and security officials are on a hair trigger?

The "moron who allegedly disrupted the flight knowing full well that the airlines and security officials are on a hair trigger" didn't authorize the diversion and post-diversion nonsense.

Yaatri Aug 16, 2006 10:51 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
Confrontation amongst three passengers two of which went after one female passenger. The one female passenger who was confronted/being confrontational is dealing with the FBI and some other entity.

Did she have a bottle of water? :D

Don't know about water, but it is rumoured, that she might be capable of producing breast milk. We al know that terrorist will try to disguise their liquid bombs as bfreast milk. :D

Yaatri Aug 16, 2006 10:53 am


Originally Posted by xyzzy
"Flight attendant -- you've got to land this plane immediately!!! The passenger in 29E has some extremely dangerous contraband -- dihydrogen monoxide!"

Actually it's hydrogen hydroxide. :D

L-1011 Aug 16, 2006 10:54 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
The Reuters stories I looked at were quoting named officials who said that those objects were present. Need I say more?

I was thinking of this story (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7...286966,00.html) which lowers the credibility of Reuters to almost nil.

GUWonder Aug 16, 2006 10:54 am


Originally Posted by Yaatri
Don't know about water, but it is rumoured, that she might be capable of producing breast milk. We al know that terrorist will try to disguise their liquid bombs as bfreast milk. :D

If so, and given her physical condition, the President should give her or her doctor a medal. :D

kgkhoury Aug 16, 2006 10:58 am


Originally Posted by Wally Bird
You know this for a fact ? All I've seen is a quote from an unidentified "official" from an unnamed agency. Remember how "officials" immediately determined that guy in Houston with worn-out shoes and an alarm radio was a terrist ? I'll wait, and make a small wager that she actually had none of the above.

What did you wager, Wally? Hope it was good as you are totally right. She had NONE of those things. She was clausterphobic (so... get on a transatlantic flight, good plan) and became distraught. Sad how our people can't handle something like this without scrambling fighter jets and diverting an entire flight's worth of people.

The over-reacting continues unabated...

SAT Lawyer Aug 16, 2006 10:58 am


Originally Posted by Spiff
I have no idea what makes you think. Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us. Feel free to correlate the actions of the hijackers, employees and passengers on both flights... Oh wait. No hijackers on today's flight. :rolleyes:

Hindsight is 20-20; foresight is priceless.

As long as your going to provide your invaluable insight ex post facto, I'm sure you'll look like a genius every time.

Evrytania Aug 16, 2006 10:59 am

Actually, it was more like this:

Passenger: Flight Attendant...please tell the pilot that we have eliminated a possible terrorist attack and that he needs to land the plane ASAP.

FA: Are you sure?

Passenger: Yep...this lady that looks like an Arab terrorist started yelling when me and my friend confronted her for reading those AlQaeda Arabic newspapers. Since she resisted, she is definitely trying to hide something. She is probably the diversion, so we need to land the plane immediately.

GUWonder Aug 16, 2006 11:00 am


Originally Posted by L-1011
I was thinking of this story (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7...286966,00.html) which lowers the credibility of Reuters to almost nil.

Fox News, National Review, New Republic, CNN, CBS, and most others have been had before too. :eek: Doesn't lower the credibility to almost nil, but then again -- unlike some government officials and leaders, starting from the top -- I don't get spoonfeedings or have a dedicated wet-nurse either.

SAT Lawyer Aug 16, 2006 11:00 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
NThe "moron who allegedly disrupted the flight knowing full well that the airlines and security officials are on a hair trigger" didn't authorize the diversion and post-diversion nonsense.

Neither did the US government, the British government, or United Airlines authorize her pre-diversion nonsense.

kgkhoury Aug 16, 2006 11:02 am


Originally Posted by UMassCanuck07
I believe the UA crew made the decision to land the plane in BOS. So I guess they are idiots eh? Do you know what the situation was like on the plane FWAAA? Were you there? No. So don't assume that it was an overreaction. Maybe it wasn't "terrorism" but it could have been another type of serious situation.

I think you have a future in Homeland Security...

GUWonder Aug 16, 2006 11:03 am


Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
Neither did the US government, the British government, or United Airlines authorize her pre-diversion nonsense.

The US government authorized the diversion too.

The country (and officials) are behaving like a bunch of brainless knee-jerks and going off their rocker whenever some individual goes off their rocker yet doesn't pose a clear and imminent danger to the plane. Don't you expect more of the government and flight crews than of individual nuts? I do.

GUWonder Aug 16, 2006 11:06 am


Originally Posted by SAT Lawyer
Hindsight is 20-20; foresight is priceless.

As long as your going to provide your invaluable insight ex post facto, I'm sure you'll look like a genius every time.

Hindsight is not 20-20. Look at the last couple of days of knee-jerk responses to a threat that was known to exist for quite some time. Seems like our government leaders don't even have 20-20 hindsight, but seem more blind than anything. :eek:

SAT Lawyer Aug 16, 2006 11:10 am


Originally Posted by GUWonder
The country (and officials) are behaving like a bunch of brainless knee-jerks and going off their rocker whenever some individual goes off their rocker yet doesn't pose a clear and imminent danger to the plane.

It's a hell of a lot easier to make that charge from the comfort of your armchair after the fact when the airplane is safely back on terra firma.

On the flipside, it is awfully difficult to read the mind of a disturbed passenger from afar.

Maybe the usual cadre of complainers would get more slack if we all didn't know that they would be the first to be levying charges of incompetence and criminal negligence at the government if and when one of these threats turns out to be real.


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