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Originally Posted by gnaget
FYI, since it's at the end of 15R then it obviously landed on 33L (designation in other direction). According to the Massport website 18% of arrivals occur on 33L. But the takeoffs for 15R are something like 1 or 2%.
When the plane is parked right at the end like that is it safe to land on 33L?(Probably not as a precaution but it would be an out of control landing if it uses the entire runway down to the zebra of the other end.) Also why isn't the runway designated 15-33 when there is no 15L-33R according to the list of runways? http://www.airnav.com/airport/KBOS Not that there's much of anything that actually flies into BOS that would use it, but it exists. |
Guess no one's seen this yet. Some choice quotes:
Mayo said she had been in Pakistan and made reference to “being with people associated with two words,” the affidavit said. “She stated that she could not say what the two words were because the last time that she had said the two words she had been kicked off of a flight in the United Arab Emirates. The Captain and the Purser both believed that she was referring to Al Qaeda,” said the affidavit by FBI special agent Daniel Choldin. She also made remarks the crew believed were about building a bomb. Mayo is charged with interfering with a flight crew. . . . At about 4:30 a.m. EST, an hour and a half after take-off, a flight attendant saw Mayo pushing against an aircraft bulkhead, the affidavit said. When the attendant told her to return to her seat, Mayo responded that she wanted to speak to an air marshal, saying, “I know you want my bag” or “I know you want to see what’s in my bag.” A screwdriver, cigarette lighters, matches and hand cream were found in Mayo’s bag. . . . Mayo throughout the flight also gave crew members a series of notes, including one that said she had been in a country illegally. Her passport showed that she had left Pakistan on Aug. 15 and entered the United Kingdom. . . . At about 5:20 a.m. EST, Mayo asked for an unopened can of Pepsi and took the can into a lavatory near the plane’s fuselage. When she came out, she told a flight attendant, “I left the Pepsi can in the bathroom - there is something in it.” The crew found the can in a trash bin. Mayo also asked an attendant, “Is this a training flight for United Flight 93?” - apparently referring to the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania Sept. 11, 2001. . . . . About 35 minutes after speaking to the captain, Mayo again tried to use one of the bathrooms and after a brief exchange with the crew, she “lowered her pants and urinated on the floor,” the affidavit said. I'd say the crew did the right thing. That is, unless I'm a foolish mainstream media dupe who's not getting the "real" story by going on super-secret underground websites run by the guy whose cousin's spiritual medium was actually there. I guess I'll remain duped. |
Originally Posted by thegingerman
I'd say the crew did the right thing. That is, unless I'm a foolish mainstream media dupe who's not getting the "real" story by going on super-secret underground websites run by the guy whose cousin's spiritual medium was actually there. I guess I'll remain duped.
My criticism is directed toward the hysterical response of the TSA/DHS/FBI etc. with a helpful assist from the "we need another September 11-style story" media. |
Originally Posted by thegingerman
Guess no one's seen this yet. Some choice quotes:
Mayo said she had been in Pakistan and made reference to “being with people associated with two words,” the affidavit said. “She stated that she could not say what the two words were because the last time that she had said the two words she had been kicked off of a flight in the United Arab Emirates. The Captain and the Purser both believed that she was referring to Al Qaeda,” said the affidavit by FBI special agent Daniel Choldin. She also made remarks the crew believed were about building a bomb. Mayo is charged with interfering with a flight crew. . . . At about 4:30 a.m. EST, an hour and a half after take-off, a flight attendant saw Mayo pushing against an aircraft bulkhead, the affidavit said. When the attendant told her to return to her seat, Mayo responded that she wanted to speak to an air marshal, saying, “I know you want my bag” or “I know you want to see what’s in my bag.” A screwdriver, cigarette lighters, matches and hand cream were found in Mayo’s bag. . . . Mayo throughout the flight also gave crew members a series of notes, including one that said she had been in a country illegally. Her passport showed that she had left Pakistan on Aug. 15 and entered the United Kingdom. . . . At about 5:20 a.m. EST, Mayo asked for an unopened can of Pepsi and took the can into a lavatory near the plane’s fuselage. When she came out, she told a flight attendant, “I left the Pepsi can in the bathroom - there is something in it.” The crew found the can in a trash bin. Mayo also asked an attendant, “Is this a training flight for United Flight 93?” - apparently referring to the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania Sept. 11, 2001. . . . . About 35 minutes after speaking to the captain, Mayo again tried to use one of the bathrooms and after a brief exchange with the crew, she “lowered her pants and urinated on the floor,” the affidavit said. I'd say the crew did the right thing. That is, unless I'm a foolish mainstream media dupe who's not getting the "real" story by going on super-secret underground websites run by the guy whose cousin's spiritual medium was actually there. I guess I'll remain duped. Nothing missed, but the crew and other "authorities" over-reacted. Out of that "abundance of caution" nonsense that is so prevalent today. |
Originally Posted by thegingerman
I'd say the crew did the right thing. That is, unless I'm a foolish mainstream media dupe who's not getting the "real" story by going on super-secret underground websites run by the guy whose cousin's spiritual medium was actually there. I guess I'll remain duped.
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Originally Posted by exerda
If the affidavit accurately describes what happened, I would say any reasonable observer would have decided they were dealing with a mentally disturbed woman and not a terrorist.
For some people, it's "damned if you do, damned if you don't." Suppose they didn't divert and there was a real threat, a whole bunch of people would scream about how incompetent they were and missed all the "obvious" signs. I'm sticking with the crew on this one. |
Originally Posted by thegingerman
I think it's pretty easy to Monday morning quarterback from your sofa in the living room. Will all the multiple references to terror and danger the woman made, you've gotta admit they had reasonable justification to do what they did.
For some people, it's "damned if you do, damned if you don't." Suppose they didn't divert and there was a real threat, a whole bunch of people would scream about how incompetent they were and missed all the "obvious" signs. I'm sticking with the crew on this one. The crew could have just as well landed at IAD as BOS, but that'd get the paranoid Monday Morning Quarterbacks foaming at the mouth and put this story in the same category as a mad man on a bus saying he's got an F-16 and is going to use it to shoot a flying elephant. We're not dealing with a real threat in the particulars here. ;) |
Originally Posted by thegingerman
I think it's pretty easy to Monday morning quarterback from your sofa in the living room. Will all the multiple references to terror and danger the woman made, you've gotta admit they had reasonable justification to do what they did.
For some people, it's "damned if you do, damned if you don't." Suppose they didn't divert and there was a real threat, a whole bunch of people would scream about how incompetent they were and missed all the "obvious" signs. I'm sticking with the crew on this one. As for "missing the obvious signs," when what she did becomes an "obvious sign" of being a terrorist, I'll concede that point. For now, though, I've never heard of a single terrorist who goes around loudly announcing his or herself and plans before carrying them out. |
I totally agree. This has certain similarities to the famous "BOB" written on a barf bag and interpreted by a variety of idiots as meaning "bomb on board " (of course, what else could it mean?). The idea that bombers would leave secret messages (or state directly) that they plan to bomb the plane is beyond absurd. Why go to all the trouble to smuggle a bomb on board, then announce it? What does that accomplish, other than give people a chance to find and defuse it?
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Originally Posted by thegingerman
Nothing missed, but the crew and other "authorities" over-reacted. Out of that "abundance of caution" nonsense that is so prevalent today.
At about 5:20 a.m. EST, Mayo asked for an unopened can of Pepsi and took the can into a lavatory near the plane’s fuselage. When she came out, she told a flight attendant, “I left the Pepsi can in the bathroom - there is something in it.” |
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