Suicide Bomber at Moscow Airport-1/24/11
#106
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 7,605
BTW do you have a good coat, I understand that Chicago can be cold at this time of the year.
#107
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Under the Cone of Silence
Programs: UA Gold; AA Dirt; HH Diamond; National Emerald; CONTROL SecretAgent Platinum; KAOS EvilFlyer Gold
Posts: 1,499
TSA blog just posted a statement about how they will have "behavior detection officers (BDO), explosive detection technology, canine teams and Visible Intermodal Prevention and Response (VIPR) teams, among other measures both seen and unseen" before the checkpoints.
And they're also patting themselves on the back about BDO's catching a guy in 2008 in Orlando with a suitcase full of potential bomb-making parts, conveniently ignoring the fact that that was not an active bomb, and the guy was trying to ship the stuff, not try and detonate it.
And, of course, they're ignoring the fact that the one of the reasons for the "crowded areas on the public side of the airport" is pointless ID checks and slow security processing in general!
And they're also patting themselves on the back about BDO's catching a guy in 2008 in Orlando with a suitcase full of potential bomb-making parts, conveniently ignoring the fact that that was not an active bomb, and the guy was trying to ship the stuff, not try and detonate it.
And, of course, they're ignoring the fact that the one of the reasons for the "crowded areas on the public side of the airport" is pointless ID checks and slow security processing in general!
#108
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 291
I thought about a fourth more unlikely but possible scenario as to why we haven't seen more attacks other than some completely brain dead schemes. Maybe what AQ is doing is just keeping the focus on avation. Keep the DHS/TSA/CIA/FBI focused on airport threats while working on the next real big attack. In my mind I'm thinking nuclear strike or some such similar massive attack. Unlikely but it could be reality.
#110
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: PDX
Programs: AA,DL,BA,UA,SPG, and any other free trip!
Posts: 1,803
I thought about a fourth more unlikely but possible scenario as to why we haven't seen more attacks other than some completely brain dead schemes. Maybe what AQ is doing is just keeping the focus on avation. Keep the DHS/TSA/CIA/FBI focused on airport threats while working on the next real big attack. In my mind I'm thinking nuclear strike or some such similar massive attack. Unlikely but it could be reality.
I mean, lets keep things in check...someone says jump, and we jump. Thats not saying much for critical thinking. A day before Davos and this happens...one has to wonder...
#111
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Apparently when the targets are ethnically and/or economically more akin to "us", then "we" seem to value the risk to "our" lives/livelihood greater than "we" do when the lives/livelihood at risk are those of "the other" -- "the other" being poorer, innocent persons of a "more" "alien" appearance in the minds of the prejudiced. It's a trap people should best try to avoid.
Perhaps if you are selected on the basis of the above "confession", you can be set up in a sting operation or made into a patsy for some troublemakers, governmental or otherwise. That's how these things have gone before, so that too is a trap people should best try to avoid.
Last edited by GUWonder; Jan 26, 2011 at 3:28 pm
#112
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 291
I didn't say I care. I don't live in the US. I'm not a target. I am a target of the gropes and nudie scans and other crap thanks to my government caving to US demands. Don't get me wrong here I do mostly like the US still but boy it's getting hard to defend the place with friends and family.
As for confessing wth seriously? Confessing to what? Hating security screening as much as the next guy?
As for confessing wth seriously? Confessing to what? Hating security screening as much as the next guy?
#113
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Doha, Qatar
Programs: Air Canada Aeroplan, Lufthansa Miles & More, Flying Blue, Hyatt Gold Passport
Posts: 1,894
I have always argued that security checks should be done immediately upon entry into the airport as done in some other countries, notably in Asia, than the setup we have here. Here in the U.S. TSA has a system in place that rewards pilfering of luggage. If luggage is checked upfront then there is no purpose to go digging into luggage once it passes security in the immediate lobby area.
Maybe now TSA will agree (with people like me) that security should be done in the open where the passenger is with his luggage than in a remote area where agents or baggage handlers are tempted to pilfer from unlocked luggage.
Maybe now TSA will agree (with people like me) that security should be done in the open where the passenger is with his luggage than in a remote area where agents or baggage handlers are tempted to pilfer from unlocked luggage.
The TSA can call new checkpoints "increasing security". Al-Qaeda calls it "creating new and easier targets".
#114
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast Kansas | Colorado Native
Programs: Amex Gold/Plat, UA *G, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott LT Gold, NEXUS, TSA Disparager Unobtanium
Posts: 21,606
I have always argued that security checks should be done immediately upon entry into the airport as done in some other countries, notably in Asia, than the setup we have here. Here in the U.S. TSA has a system in place that rewards pilfering of luggage. If luggage is checked upfront then there is no purpose to go digging into luggage once it passes security in the immediate lobby area.
Maybe now TSA will agree (with people like me) that security should be done in the open where the passenger is with his luggage than in a remote area where agents or baggage handlers are tempted to pilfer from unlocked luggage.
Maybe now TSA will agree (with people like me) that security should be done in the open where the passenger is with his luggage than in a remote area where agents or baggage handlers are tempted to pilfer from unlocked luggage.
#115
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
I didn't say I care. I don't live in the US. I'm not a target. I am a target of the gropes and nudie scans and other crap thanks to my government caving to US demands. Don't get me wrong here I do mostly like the US still but boy it's getting hard to defend the place with friends and family.
As for confessing wth seriously? Confessing to what? Hating security screening as much as the next guy?
As for confessing wth seriously? Confessing to what? Hating security screening as much as the next guy?
What about people that just have to visit the ticket counter? There are times that I visit the airport just so I can ticket a held itinerary with VDB certs. I do not want to go through security that will grope me, and take away my regular sized water, when I have to intention of flying.
Last edited by Kiwi Flyer; Jan 28, 2011 at 7:48 pm Reason: merge consecutive posts
#116
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Russian government arrests 15-year-old boy and 16-year-old girl who are the siblings of Russian-government-identified 20-year-old bomber identified as perpetrating this act of terrorism at DME. The Russian government (inclusive of its local stooges) claims that his teenage siblings knew what their adult brother was going to do but did not inform their parents of the plot.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110209/...irport_bombing
Not as savage but no less absurd is the DHS/TSA blacklists applied to even domestic passengers for who knows what connection.
A respected human rights activist from Ingushetia condemned the arrest of the underage suspects. "This is absurd and savage — to arrest people only because they are relatives of a suspected terrorist," Magomed Khazbiyev told the daily Kommersant.
Not as savage but no less absurd is the DHS/TSA blacklists applied to even domestic passengers for who knows what connection.
#117
Join Date: Oct 2009
Programs: AA, DL
Posts: 326
Russian government arrests 15-year-old boy and 16-year-old girl who are the siblings of Russian-government-identified 20-year-old bomber identified as perpetrating this act of terrorism at DME. The Russian government (inclusive of its local stooges) claims that his teenage siblings knew what their adult brother was going to do but did not inform their parents of the plot.
#118
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
What's also really pathetic is the Russian government's intent do for Russian airports and flights all that DHS/TSA suggests. Copying all that the TSA has done for US airports and flights is a recipe -- at best -- for a lot more waste.
Last edited by GUWonder; Feb 15, 2011 at 5:04 pm