Suicide Bomber at Moscow Airport-1/24/11
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1) It's hard to recruit and train suicide bombers and so there is a very limited supply
2) It's hard to get terrorists into the US (doubtful)
3) The terrorists are targeting other countries and have given up on attacking the US (again not likely)
4) The terrorists are stupid and are easily caught. I don't think this is the case though since so few have been caught.
I think #1 is the most likely scenario. There have not been many terrorists caught in the act of planning an attack. It could be number 2 as well though I guess but you would think they could smuggle people in through the southern border.
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Could be either of these four possibilities :
1) It's hard to recruit and train suicide bombers and so there is a very limited supply
2) It's hard to get terrorists into the US (doubtful)
3) The terrorists are targeting other countries and have given up on attacking the US (again not likely)
4) The terrorists are stupid and are easily caught. I don't think this is the case though since so few have been caught.
I think #1 is the most likely scenario. There have not been many terrorists caught in the act of planning an attack. It could be number 2 as well though I guess but you would think they could smuggle people in through the southern border.
1) It's hard to recruit and train suicide bombers and so there is a very limited supply
2) It's hard to get terrorists into the US (doubtful)
3) The terrorists are targeting other countries and have given up on attacking the US (again not likely)
4) The terrorists are stupid and are easily caught. I don't think this is the case though since so few have been caught.
I think #1 is the most likely scenario. There have not been many terrorists caught in the act of planning an attack. It could be number 2 as well though I guess but you would think they could smuggle people in through the southern border.
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Just moving the crowd to another location. The question is, what is the DHS tasked to protect, and how much is the individual willing to sacrifice for safety?
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exactly, and a terrorist can always "create" his own crowd at a desired location by causing a movement out of the airport into some other area, etc. somewhat like the practice of using delayed secondary explosions near the site of a primary attack. not things you can handle just with tech.
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More importantly, though, we need to mourn those lost to terrorist attacks. In giving their lives the gravity and value they deserve, they retain their individuality and difference, an important element both of social respect and of avoiding the hysteria used to use a number of bodies to sensationalize an issue.
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Either way, expect the typical TSA overreaction in 3.....2.....1....
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exactly, and a terrorist can always "create" his own crowd at a desired location by causing a movement out of the airport into some other area, etc. somewhat like the practice of using delayed secondary explosions near the site of a primary attack. not things you can handle just with tech.
If the TSA (or DHS, by upward extension) attempts to use administrative searches from the airport on the general population (sure, and why not just declare martial law, and revoke the fourth amendment?), this is either going to get very interesting, or we're going to enter a new paradigm. At this rate, assembly of individuals is going to go through a huge shift in reality.
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Besides, the crowds waiting outside the terminals for arriving passengers are also ridiculously huge. Yet another opportunity for mayhem.
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Nah, they'd never believe us paranoid nut cases in FT TS&S.
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I've been worried about soft targets for years - hospitals, shopping malls, restaurants, theaters, street corners. I don't know why we haven't been hit in those places yet, but I fear it's only a matter of time. These are relatively easy, low cost operations to mount and very hard to disrupt if the so-called "chatter" is kept to a minimum.
Right now I'm more worried about the TSA's response to this incident - their unrivaled incompetence will surely give way to some spectacularly asinine "solution" designed not to keep us safe, but to show the public and Congress they're "on top of the situation"
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The issue is finding suicide bombers here in the US - or getting foreign-sourced ones into the US. The latter takes some time and planning, but trust me, it's not hard. Train them and get them here on student visas - easy as pie if they're off DHS radar (which is not hard).
I've been worried about soft targets for years - hospitals, shopping malls, restaurants, theaters, street corners. I don't know why we haven't been hit in those places yet, but I fear it's only a matter of time. These are relatively easy, low cost operations to mount and very hard to disrupt if the so-called "chatter" is kept to a minimum.
Right now I'm more worried about the TSA's response to this incident - their unrivaled incompetence will surely give way to some spectacularly asinine "solution" designed not to keep us safe, but to show the public and Congress they're "on top of the situation"
I've been worried about soft targets for years - hospitals, shopping malls, restaurants, theaters, street corners. I don't know why we haven't been hit in those places yet, but I fear it's only a matter of time. These are relatively easy, low cost operations to mount and very hard to disrupt if the so-called "chatter" is kept to a minimum.
Right now I'm more worried about the TSA's response to this incident - their unrivaled incompetence will surely give way to some spectacularly asinine "solution" designed not to keep us safe, but to show the public and Congress they're "on top of the situation"
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BTW, the media second-guessing has started. Washington Post has a poll up here asking if there should be security in baggage claim areas.
When I looked, 52% said yes..... politicians have claimed a "mandate" with lower numbers than that.... baaaah, baaaah
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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/wor...ing.cnn?hpt=T1
Right around 3:45. "Expect the barrier to get further and further back. Not just departures, the airport door. Then the roadway leading to the terminal, then down the road from the airport."
This incident will probably push the barrier for Class X airports back to the curb, then slowly working their way back to Class I airports. Then when the next incident (at a major hub, anywhere in the world) involves a car outside the terminal, expect possible further pushback?
Other reports that the (suicide?) bomber was female.
Right around 3:45. "Expect the barrier to get further and further back. Not just departures, the airport door. Then the roadway leading to the terminal, then down the road from the airport."
This incident will probably push the barrier for Class X airports back to the curb, then slowly working their way back to Class I airports. Then when the next incident (at a major hub, anywhere in the world) involves a car outside the terminal, expect possible further pushback?
Other reports that the (suicide?) bomber was female.
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Russian's intelligence/law enforcement services hasn't been too effective lately in identifying threats and preventing these types of spontaneous explosions lately.
Our own U.S. Homeland Security (including TSA) has been lucky thus far in the illusionary effects of keeping America safe from yet another "attack" - even if we're to create a secured zone 1/2 miles from the airport's arrival & departure roadways and start screening everyone, everything and anything that move (car, taxi, van, bikes, trucks & service vehicles, etc.) - the results would still be of questionable outcome. Employees, suppliers and vendors are still mostly roaming freely - especially those with a government photo id in uniform with a badge of some sort, not subject to the same standards of screening as the masses.
Actually, I'm surprised that only one device (based on latest on-scene reporting) detonated and there're no secondaries to inflict more harm, damages, choas and destructions - we are getting the facts, but only some of the details and the rest has yet to surface, will become clearer as time go by.
Our own U.S. Homeland Security (including TSA) has been lucky thus far in the illusionary effects of keeping America safe from yet another "attack" - even if we're to create a secured zone 1/2 miles from the airport's arrival & departure roadways and start screening everyone, everything and anything that move (car, taxi, van, bikes, trucks & service vehicles, etc.) - the results would still be of questionable outcome. Employees, suppliers and vendors are still mostly roaming freely - especially those with a government photo id in uniform with a badge of some sort, not subject to the same standards of screening as the masses.
Actually, I'm surprised that only one device (based on latest on-scene reporting) detonated and there're no secondaries to inflict more harm, damages, choas and destructions - we are getting the facts, but only some of the details and the rest has yet to surface, will become clearer as time go by.