It's the actual strip search, Rosemary, such as what your friend went through.

It means the back of the hand pat down is gone and from now on, all pat downs will be done with the full hand.

Wow. Somehow you pulled that out of...? But your entirely incorrect. So I guess everyone at SAT is being taught incorrect? Why don't you make a call to the FSD and tell him to get on the ball, that we are being taught to incorrectly use the back of our hands on parts of the body. Uh-huh.

By leaving part of what I wrote out. Changed the meaning, so he/she could tell the joke.

embarrassed to answer that question? Please.... You already know the answer to that: is there ever a cause for a TSO to be rude to you? Nope, and why would I have to tell you that? But if you think being searched is rude or treating you badly, I disagree. Now if you feel you were searched because you got into an argument with a TSO, then file a complaint (believe it or not they are all looked into). It should be common sense to figure out if you were treated badly....I don't need to tell you how to figure out if it happened, and your an adult and can take care of yourself and do what you need to do.

As far as what "TSO" I was talking about, I was talking about the 1 strip employees. Yes they are all "TSOs", the 1, 2, and 3 stripes, but they have different jobs, part of which overlap. Neither is more or less important than the other, in my opinion. However, I consider the 1 stripe employees the "work horse" or the organization as these are the most common employees and their primary responsibility is to screen people and property. The 2 strip screen too, but they "run" the floor. And the 3 strip have their responsibilities too, along with some screening.

NO!! He did not "edit" your post, he changed the wording when he reposted it. Its all in the wording (but you should know that as it is a favorite of yours).

For my joke, I didn't edit the comment, just redacted a little of the SSI at the end.;) But because the TSA is such a joke:p - it's fair game. Just TRY to understand some of the context that comes out of TSA after reading it in full!

About your above suggestion - It can't happen

1. Because it makes sense.

2. It would reduce their athor-i-tay to punish opt-outs.

If you were taken to/offered a private room after a first procedure, it was the enhanced pat-down.

However, if that did not happen then what you experienced is a type of pat-down that basically touches ALMOST all of the body, and has been with TSA since the beginning, in various forms.Because most people never had that pat-down, to them it is new, and many mistake it for the enhanced pat-down.

You know I was teasing, right? It was actually sort of funny what you post...

How can a person know if the pat down they received was in accordance to TSA policy?

You still have not responded to the quesion.

Not all of us. :mad::mad::mad: I'll still take the patdown. So would others that I know.
I've asked before, but never received an intelligent answer*, why there are so many different types of patdowns. Does TSA believe that someone who opts out of the WBI might be concealing items in a different place or in a more subtle way than someone who opts out of the WTMD, or the person who set off the WTMD with a joint implant? Having all these different kinds of patdowns just makes TSA look (even more) silly: "oh, that's not a WBI-refusal patdown, it's a WTMD-refusal patdown", or the super secret patdown for "something else" that SATTSO isn't allowed to tell us about. :rolleyes: But in the end it's just another excuse for the inconsistency that comes from poor training and bad management: "the reason they did X at that airport and Y here is that it's a different KIND of patdown". Give me a break.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

SATTSO, how do you square your statement that
with this story discussed in another thread:
IOW, "enhanced" being trialed at BOS and LAS ="front-of-hand"="not back of hand"= "reward for opting out of WBI". And there are reports in that thread (one here) of people getting the open hand intense groping for opting out of the WBI. Not one screener posted in that thread to say that the original story was wrong. Your "the enhanced patdown is for something rare I can't tell you about" just doesn't stand up to scrutiny in the light of the other evidence.

*Note: #3, 6b, 10, 13, 16, 17, 24a, 29 and 32 are NOT intelligent answers. :rolleyes:

Deleting your account to describe you position is not necessary, and signatures are *very* effective.

To the question you said you asked before and never received an answer, as I said before, big changes coming to TSA. I'm sure some of you can figure out the date, as another thread made reference to that date.

As to how do I "square" my statement with that of the media? Well, gee, we know the media NEVER gets anything wrong.... It amazes me how many well educated, intelligent people believe EVERYTHING they read in the "paper". I guess as a society we expect the news we are given to be accurate, so we just assume that it is.

Maybe for you. I don't care for signatures, sorry.

I haven't really looked through the links the moderator sent me, just been too busy, and to be very honest, this site is low on my priorities list; just being honest. If I never change my name no matter what position at TSA I have, I can live with that. Sorry, if you can't.

Uh, I've already told you how. And people here have known long before I arrived on this site - you need advisement, no slaps against your body, things of that nature which I have seen other members of FT reference this fact since my first day here. And now I have told you the front of the hand pat-down must be done in private - and I'll add the advisement MUST be given.

But that didn't answer the general question, which is "if somebody's getting patted down and they feel that it was done in an inappropriate way, how are they to know if the TSO was following procedure or being inappropriate"? In an ideal world, this is a question we should never ask.

Unfortunately, just like there are doctors, priests, and teachers who violate the trust put in them, we know there are TSOs who do also. But, unlike in those areas, we don't know what's "proper", so we can't know if a TSO is violating our trust. That's a problem.

Is there any solution besides always going through a checkpoint with a buddy who videotapes each patdown and if the person feels something was done inappropriately to file the complaint along with the video? If people don't do that, then how do we weed out the bad TSOs?

What if a person doesn't wish to go in a private room with TSA employees?

Being out in public would b much safer for the individual.

I have to ask, because I am not sure what you mean, but what does being patted down "in an inappropriate way" mean to you?

having your nuts or tits fondled as if examining for cancerous lumps - clear enough for you?

SATTSO, here is the problem you haven't addressed (and which you can't really answer -- it's a trick question):

1. There exists a procedure TSO's are supposed to follow when conducting a "pat down".

2. TSA does not disclose that acceptable procedure to the public.

3. How does the traveling public know whether a TSO is following the acceptable procedure in any given case?


~~ Irish

No, it's not, sorry.

You think it's a trick question (and yes; I know what BD was getting to), but I don't really think it is a trick question. The public may or may not know what pat-downs we do, but common sense should prevail - at least on the part of the passenger. Did the TSO slap your body? Did they pinch you? Did they give you advisement? Did the TSO tell you what was happening and why (you alarmed the WTMD, opt out from WBI, random, etc? And I could go on.

I do not believe and never will (though your welcome to try and change my mind) that you need to know the exact procedure for a passenger to know if they were treated with respect and if the pat-down was the appropriate.

For example, if by chance you do receive the so-called enhanced pat-down, and your not told why, the process is not described to you before hand, and private screening is not offered, even if the physical act of the pat-down was 100% correct, the entire process was inappropriate.