Originally Posted by gsoltso (Post 14872949)

I can post the contact info for TSA and DHS here, I have done so several times previously and will be happy to do so again. There are ways to contact each individual airports TSA staff, there is the "Talk To TSA" site, there are a list of ways for someone to contact TSA and ultimately DHS if you are unhappy with the response you get from TSA. As to whom will hear or respond, I can't not say, but there are avenues of communication that you can use.

Originally Posted by RichardKenner (Post 14873384)

There's another problem here: we keep hearing "it's the responsibility of a (disabled) person to know the screening procedures and decide if they can go through with them", but we also keep hearing TSO's refuse to cite those procedures, claiming they're SSI.

Originally Posted by gsoltso (Post 14872962)

I was speaking of the pat down here and many of the complaints I have read and seen in the media and blogosphere do not jibe with what information I have - not that they didn't happen, just that it does not match with the information I have as to what is supposed to be happening.

Originally Posted by N965VJ (Post 14870611)

I always enjoy it when TSA employees say things like this, because it proves the arrogance of a dangerous organization.

Originally Posted by gsoltso (Post 14872962)

I am speaking of checkpoints in American airports, CATSA does certain things we ask them too, as well as their own protocols, I never claimed to be an expert on CATSA. I was speaking of the pat down here and many of the complaints I have read and seen in the media and blogosphere do not jibe with what information I have - not that they didn't happen, just that it does not match with the information I have as to what is supposed to be happening.

Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 14871043)

There are far more than 'one in a million' people who should not be touched in various areas of their body. You have no business touching a wound, or an injury, and causing pain or harm.

People do fly with illnesses, and with injuries, and have every right to do so. But you do not have the right to further injure them, or to cause them more pain.

I cannot fathom that even TSA gives their employees permission to remove dressings, place pressure on wounds, or otherwise harm passengers. I know that it happens, and it has happened to several posters, but I cannot imagine that it is under the direction of TSA.

Originally Posted by tanja (Post 14870708)

Are you talking about preperation from the parents?

Originally Posted by tanja (Post 14870708)

This kid has a something called Zell Weager Syndrome. A lot of die an early death.

He is still alaive thanks to alternative medicine. (another story) He is 95 % death. And doctors couldnt figure that out until 2 years ago. Even if the family suspected it.

Originally Posted by tanja (Post 14870708)

We know his moves and so on. He cant commuicate with strangers at all.
His doctor says just to leave him be.
Nobody else is involved at that level that have any input at all.
He is terrified of strangers.

Originally Posted by tanja (Post 14870708)

He would not let anybody touch him. Doesnt matter if parents hold him. You just cant explain that to him.His is very protective of his body.
I am just worried about him if they would fly.
And I have 6 kids of my own and one step kid. So I do know kids to.

Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 14871043)

There are far more than 'one in a million' people who should not be touched in various areas of their body. You have no business touching a wound, or an injury, and causing pain or harm.

People do fly with illnesses, and with injuries, and have every right to do so. But you do not have the right to further injure them, or to cause them more pain.

I cannot fathom that even TSA gives their employees permission to remove dressings, place pressure on wounds, or otherwise harm passengers. I know that it happens, and it has happened to several posters, but I cannot imagine that it is under the direction of TSA.

Originally Posted by mikemey (Post 14873083)

It won't do any good, nobody answers those anyway

Originally Posted by tanja (Post 14874334)

There is a law that says that you cant do medical procedures/ and/or suggest any medical advice without being medically trained.

You can get fined and jailed for that.

So I wonder how can TSA get away with that?

Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14874383)

I don’t believe this is a question based on anything I have written.



Deaf, or death? Big difference.



Yet you wish to subject him to the rigors of air travel and all it entails? Given what you have told us about this child, in some states what you are suggesting might be considered child abuse, and not by anyone at the airport.



Then the parents need to make a decision. Subject him to air travel and all that it entails or find another mode of transportation that will not cause undue stress for the child. Parents of special needs children are required by those needs to make decisions that are less convenient for their family than parents of other children without special needs. It’s a part of being a parent of such a child. The more rabid folks here are going to tell you that the TSA must do everything possible for children like this, but then again it is most likely they have never parented special needs children.



Try reading what I wrote and please avoid going off in directions of your own. Tangents confuse the issue and serve no useful purpose.



And this is based upon your vast experience with the process, or based on the highly dubious claims of the folks here and at the TSA blog?



Because we don’t give medical advice or perform medical procedures, that’s how. Claims to the contrary here are less than accurate.

Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14874316)

to say that we must never make progress as a nation, that the founding fathers were not smart enough to realize that they could not foretell the future and did make allowances for that, is arrogant or dangerous is inane. :td:

Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14874383)

Yet you wish to subject him to the rigors of air travel and all it entails? Given what you have told us about this child, in some states what you are suggesting might be considered child abuse, and not by anyone at the airport.

Originally Posted by RichardKenner

Wow!

Originally Posted by RichardKenner (Post 14874733)

If there's a need to get from one place to the another air travel will subject the child to less "rigor" simply because it's so much faster. The problem here is that most people when seeing a disabled child, work as hard as they can to make the travel less rigorous. Here we have an employee of the TSA suggesting that the procedures they feel the need to perform are "child abuse".

Originally Posted by RichardKenner (Post 14874733)

Now, I do agree with the general point you're making in a different situation. In one case here, a parent took an easy-to-traumatize child through a checkpoint to see a friend off at the gate. There, I agree with you: the very slight benefit the child received by seeing their friend for a little longer wasn't enough to justify the "rigor" of checkpoint. But there's no choice if there's a need to go from Point A to Point B.

Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14874383)

IAnd this is based upon your vast experience with the process, or based on the highly dubious claims of the folks here and at the TSA blog?

Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14874316)

Facts are "arrogance of a dangerous..."? I can understand how one who is unable to codify their opinions about the TSA into a single logical stance could say such a thing, but to say that we must never make progress as a nation, that the founding fathers were not smart enough to realize that they could not foretell the future and did make allowances for that, is arrogant or dangerous is inane. :td:

Originally Posted by TSORon (Post 14874316)

Facts are "arrogance of a dangerous..."? I can understand how one who is unable to codify their opinions about the TSA into a single logical stance could say such a thing, but to say that we must never make progress as a nation, that the founding fathers were not smart enough to realize that they could not foretell the future and did make allowances for that, is arrogant or dangerous is inane. :td: