26volt

Here are March's numbers for ONT

03 15,466/18,972 81.5%

I hope you're able to get LAX's #s .

coolfish1103

Ya I have them, just didn't update here.

ONT
03 15,466/18,972 81.5%
02 12,850/15,300 84.0%
01 17,657/18,972 93.1%

LAX
03 18,656/22,196 84.1% / 49,473/60,005 82.4% BR
02 16,700/19,690 84.8% / 45,890/54,807 83.7% BR
01 20,809/22,196 93.8% / 54,648/59,995 91.1% BR

bzcat

Looks like ONT loads are maturing and reaching parity with LAX. The only question is yield. I imagine they are ok... haven't seen huge fare sales ex-ONT lately.

ehchan

Ya, was shopping for J this summer june-july and the LAX and ONT flights are priced the same. Prefer CI24 timing though so I do ONT.

coolfish1103

Here is the update for April that I didn't get to post here as I was traveling.

ONT
04 16,113/18,360 87.8%
03 15,466/18,972 81.5%
02 12,850/15,300 84.0%
01 17,657/18,972 93.1%

LAX
04 18,735/21,480 87.2% / 48,830/58,440 83.6% BR
03 18,656/22,196 84.1% / 49,473/60,005 82.4% BR
02 16,700/19,690 84.8% / 45,890/54,807 83.7% BR
01 20,809/22,196 93.8% / 54,648/59,995 91.1% BR

It's already June and I have yet heard CI axing ONT for winter schedule so I guess it will stay. The loading factor is also supporting as fare from both ONT and LAX are similar. Now the question is whether or not CI will sub 77W in ONT and free up the 359 to fly elsewhere.

26volt

CI did a 10-minute video regarding their one year anniversary in ONT. They vaguely answered the question regarding their loads and what they see in the future in ONT.

kaffir76

I'd love to try this route some day soon, when visiting my Taiwanese friend who stays at the SGV area (W. Covina to be exact)
I almost did book this when I visited last month, however QR was too big a pull for me from ONT airport, so I'll have to figure out what to do the next time I visit

Let's just say that the commute from LAX was looong & traffic was baaaad.
I totally get why CI would launch this route over or in addition to LAX - my friend would only fly from ONT to TPE, & so would many of her friends.

In the past, I've stayed in downtown LA, Pasadena or near the airport but I felt bad for making her drive all the way for meet ups & her getting stuck in traffic to/from home etc.

Loads & yields are tricky, & something the airline wouldn't want to share (esp. yields) so let's hope CI continues to do well & even expand at some later time ^

26volt

CI just loaded their ONT flights for FALL/WINTER and the 77W is back at ONT starting on OCT 27 2019, and they've slightly moved the arrival of CI 24.

CI 24 TPE-ONT 20:30-16:00

At LAX CI 05/CI06 is back. Starting on OCT 28 2019. Though only three times a week. MWF with the 77W (Edit M 77W, WF A359).

CI05 LAX-TPE 14:55-21:30
CI06 TPE-LAX 16:45-1225

coolfish1103

Good to know they are finally bringing back CI 6/5. CI 24/23 is slowly becoming CI 8/7 schedule, not sure why they just don't get it done at once.

With the 77W back cargo shouldn't be much of a problem. ONT shouldn't be worried about this route axing.

Thank you for sharing! I'll let others know on the Mandarin sites.

The information I got was 77W for Day 1 and 359 for Day 3 and 5 on CI 6/5.

26volt

That's what bewildered me why not just push CI24 to a similar time schedule to CI8.

When you purchase a txt it shows up as the 77w though in the timetable it comes up with various aircrafts. Perhaps, they're going to test if the A359 is better suited for CI6/5

coolfish1103

Another thought perhaps CI is testing which hour works to pick up potential customers.

In the video CI commented that their options aren't just to enlarge the plane, but they may also increase frequencies. If they do increase frequencies, then they will need to find a second slot for operations.

Personally I think if they do operate a second flight, it would likely have to be in the evenings as well, so maybe an afternoon flight arrival and a late night departure. They would have to do it before EVA (EVA said it won't start a new destination in NA this year and with the union havoc I doubt anything will materialize) or StarLux (another 3 years before they get a 359) enters this market, consider ONT is going to be a stable market from now on.

Such as 1800 or 2000 departure from TPE for CI 24 and then the current departure time from ONT, they can also mirror CI 8/7 for a second flight.

26volt

You have point there, especially with the entrance of Starlux in a few years. CI might just be trying to get a head start and seeing the numbers they're getting from ONT, they've decided its the right time to start looking where else to add to compete with EVA's three LAX flights, and by that pushing Starlux out of the LA area, unless they risk it, and start operations at LAX or ONT.

bocastephen

ONT is starting to advertise in the right areas, specifically the IE is starting to get more billboard copy and more aggressive ads. I would like to see their ad agency come up with something that makes fun of the chaos at LAX, Lord knows they will be able to play that card for a few years. I have not seen much of any ad work from CI at all - ONT or otherwise. At least I think their absolutely ridiculous billboard ad touting their ONT flight from the middle of Century Blvd was taken down.

26volt

As a filmmaker, I could see myself doing a funny one minute or minute and a half spec commercial making fun of LAX.

I was just at TBIT and Christ, the lines around the area were CI and Y4 are is flabbergasting.

For the spec, I'd promote the International services from ONT. I'd place a mixed race couple being hot a bothered in the car stuck in traffic. They see the next car, and there's a person taking a selfie, and kids hollering in the back, they get to LAX, they fight for parking, then rush to the terminal to just see long lines. One of them shakes and scoffs while the other rolls their eyes. Then, cut to easy accessibility of ONT, by showing quick parking, quick walk to the terminal, no long lines...and the couple happy as they go up the stairwell. That's how I would go with it.

ehchan

Glad it's still an A359 when I fly this next month... I did a round trip last month, outbound on a SQ A350 and return on a Cathay 777ER and felt so much better on the A350.