Kagehitokiri

as soon as selling seats opens up more in terms of regulation (and seems to be?) there will be no need to have any membership fees, and fares can be operating costs plus a certain percentage.

Nicoolio

JetSuiteX doesn't have membership fees -- sells seats on its website like an airline. I think they are designated as "public charters." There might be a limit on number of seats - 30 comes to mind per aircraft. Or that could be the maximum number of seats without standard TSA security. Either way, there is no membership. Tradewinds in the Northeast is similar I believe.

Kagehitokiri

was talking about reselling seats on charters, which is not what jetsuitex is doing

Nicoolio

Well JetSuiteX is a public charter, but what were you talking about - I guess I missed it?

PbodyPhoto

i think he is talking about selling seats on empty legs. What he doesn't realize is that is basically public charter

Kagehitokiri

who owns and operates jetsuitex planes?
bizjetsjobs.com/jetsuite-showcases-latest-acquisition/

Sykes

EMB 135 flights are operated by Delux Public Charter. Other flights are operated by JetSuite Inc. I could be wrong, but as far as I know they all are fundamentally controlled by the same entity, but public charter flights may not be operated by the same entity that sells individual seats (doing so requires complying with Part 121 regs for common carrier airlines), so they play games operating companies to comply with regulations.

Nicoolio

I believe its the same ownership as JetSuite or i should say I think JetSuite owns the vast majority of JetSuiteX and JetSuiteX owns the aircraft (I think they bought them from Embraer). In terms of operating them, I think sometimes there are DBAs in part because of the needs for a specific type of certificate. JetSuite also recently started a management decision - they just picked up their first contract.

Kagehitokiri

right, so i was differentiating from brokers who get expensive gulfstreams etc from random owners/operators

Nicoolio

SharedCharter from JetSmarter


Initial flight reservations under the Jet Share Program will be on a private charter basis and will be arranged by JetSmarter as your agent. Such reservations may be for less than the full capacity of the aircraft. Once the reservation is confirmed, JetSmarter reserves the right to offer one or more of the remaining seats on the aircraft to other JetSmarter Members and their guests on a per seat public charter basis in accordance with 14 CFR 380. For all Public Charter sales, JetSmarter will act as principal. All air transportation is subject to availability and such other requirements as set forth in the Membership Agreement, Charter Terms, Terms
of Use and the Operator- Participant Agreement all of which are available at https://jetsmarter.com/legal/.


General Language

** Purchase of membership is required. Free seats are offered on a first-come-cfirst-served basis and subject to availability. Additional restrictions may apply. JetSmarter offers a number of programs including single-entity charters and Public Charters. For single-entity charters, JS will act solely as your agent in arranging the flight. For Public Charter operations, JetSmarter will act as principal in buying and reselling the air transportation. Seats obtained under the Public Charter Program are subject to the Public Charter rules contained in 14 CFR 380. JetSmarter does not own or operate any aircraft. All flights are performed by FAA licensed and DOT registered air carriers. Presence of celebrities on board is not guaranteed. See www.jetsmarter.com for full program details.

Marco159

I have asked again and got the following answer:

I am out .... unfortunately...

Nicoolio

Interesting, I asked my rep the same because in the updated promo it doesn't include Simple -- he said it is still available but you have to pay for everything - i.e. - seats on shuttles under 3 hours and empty leg seats so it wouldn't make sense.

dordal

Well if either of these is true -- Simple is gone or you now have to pay for everything... that really guts the value of the program. Membership numbers will probably decline, but the value of each member will increase, so possibly offset the loss or some of it.

Townshend

Most interesting piece there is membership is going up to $17,500 in October (if it really does).

millions

I'm sure they were seeing SMART members start to terminate or downgrade. I am among those who was likely to downgrade at next renewal since there was very little value to SMART over SIMPLE to me. I don't enjoy the longer shuttles and would rarely take one, and for just about everything else, SIMPLE members have been getting the same benefits for a much lower price. And even if I were inclined to renew, the multitudes of (paying and free 3-month) SIMPLE members have diluted the value I do receive by making it ever harder to book the shorter shuttles and empties.