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anabolism Aug 12, 2019 11:30 am


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 31407679)
I tried the AA desk, and they could only book 330 days in advance. All the flights I'm looking at are available from other OW partners. One of the flights I want is A5, and I'm trying to book for 5 people so I'd like to get this done ASAP. The AA rep also said that they would need to look for "American space" on the first flight. I asked if she was referring to American codeshares, and she said "no, just American space." I'm not sure what that refers to.

Since the AA RTW desk was merged into Meeting Services, there are a lot of agents answering the phone who have no idea. You can try calling back and see if you get a more knowledgable agent. There is no requirement that the first flight be on AA, although as I mentioned above, they will likely want to see one or more AA codes on over the water flights. That may not matter to you, but it could affect your earnings and also the fuel surcharges.


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 31407679)
I'm looking to make 2 bookings for 2 groups of passengers, 1 group on ACIR22 and 1 group on AONE3. I received an e-mail from CX that said my AIRC22 routing wasn't a valid RTW routing (obviously). I'm not sure they were aware of Circle Pacific. I received a call last night from CX but I was sleeping and missed it. It is a bit annoying I can't call at my own convenience. I imagine they will be especially hard to reach now with HKIA closed.

The term "RTW" is often used to mean OneWorld Explorer, Circle, Global Explorer, and Visit fares. It would be worth clarifying the fare want to book.

ernestnywang Aug 12, 2019 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 31405748)
Has anyone had any success in booking a RTW or Circle Pacific with the first leg on Cathay? I've called twice now, and I've only received an e-mail back with a price on the RTW fare, but the e-mail made it seem that the Circle Pacific fare doesn't exist, which is clearly shown on Cathay's website. The last agent I spoke to said I would receive a call back, but these tickets may take 1 hr + to book and I'd prefer to do it at my convenience. Also, I'm looking to book 5 people and the flight I want is A5 currently, so I'm hoping to make a connection with the proper team soon.

I believe the CX call centre is extremely busy now handling all the rebooking and rerouting, as HKG was shut down for about 12 hours. It is unlikely that they have time to handle your request now. See the CX forum if you haven't heard of what happened.

lax.sea.jnu Aug 12, 2019 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 31409019)
I believe the CX call centre is extremely busy now handling all the rebooking and rerouting, as HKG was shut down for about 12 hours. It is unlikely that they have time to handle your request now. See the CX forum if you haven't heard of what happened.

Thanks, things were relatively normal when I made the request originally, but I am not even thinking about calling them back now. Perhaps I'll give BA or QF a shot.

lax.sea.jnu Aug 19, 2019 10:16 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 31409019)
I believe the CX call centre is extremely busy now handling all the rebooking and rerouting, as HKG was shut down for about 12 hours. It is unlikely that they have time to handle your request now. See the CX forum if you haven't heard of what happened.

Following up on this.

So I decided to call QF and try to piece together the two bookings, One World Explorer and Circle Pacific. After 1.5 hrs on hold, I reached an agent. We tried to piece together and ran into multiple hurdles. I had carefully pieced together the itinerary looking at the fare rules. In assembling both itineraries, we ran into numerous hurdles:
  • Agent told me that if it was a First class booking (AONE3), every single segment had to be in first class.
  • Agent told me that if I departed from Vancouver, I'd also have to return to Vancouver (rules say last segment can be overland between US/CA)
  • Agent told me that I could only go around the world in one direction (starting with transatlantic)
After 6 hours on the phone, the signal dropped and I never received a call back. I was able to retrieve the booking references with all flights by calling both QF and MH.

After multiple hours on hold I finally reached someone today. We only got as far as the AONE3 ticket, and the agent told me it would only price if I returned to Canada. The fare rules clearly state otherwise. I told him forget it, I'm going to try turning the ticket over to a travel agent and see what happens.

Is this level of difficulty normal with RTW and Circle Pacific tickets? I'm surprised that the airlines/agents aren't more familiar with a OneWorld product.

henry999 Aug 20, 2019 12:19 am


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 31434619)
Following up on this.
  • Agent told me ...
  • Agent told me ...
  • Agent told me ...
After 6 hours on the phone, ...

You unfortunately got a particularly ill-informed, poorly-trained agent, as everything he/she told you is wrong. In those circumstances, the normal advice is HUACA but one understands that you might be reluctant to do that after waiting on hold for so long. :(

'Is this level of difficulty normal?' I don't think so. I've booked 10 RTWs in the last 20 years and I've never had the level of frustration that you describe. They often don't call back and sometimes they don't reply to e-mail as promptly as one would wish but in general things have gone smoothly enough for us in dealing with CX, JL, AA and BA.

Good luck.

danger Aug 20, 2019 1:45 am

In my experience, only the AA RTW desk is up with the rules and even then some of the staff aren't without their misinterpretations and misunderstandings. The problem as I see it is that the rules are very cumbersome and complicated. As numerous posts show, it's almost luck of the draw as to the outcome you get. In my most recent experience with a DONE3, it took me an hour to convince QF staff that, yes, geographically Morocco is in Africa but for the purposes of the oneworld Explorer, it's considered part of Europe/Middle East. Even on Qantas's own oneworld five stop award (frequently used for round the world redemptions), agents often don't know the rules and that's Qantas's own product.

Oneworld either needs a dedicated desk for these types of fare products or each carrier needs to have dedicated staff whose only job is to deal with these tickets.

AlreadyThere Aug 20, 2019 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by danger (Post 31434952)
In my experience, only the AA RTW desk is up with the rules and even then some of the staff aren't without their misinterpretations and misunderstandings. The problem as I see it is that the rules are very cumbersome and complicated. As numerous posts show, it's almost luck of the draw as to the outcome you get.

I have downloaded a copy of the rules so I am armed when I get someone at the dedicated desk who doesn't know as much as I do. (Most recently, I had to show where in the rules it says that a DONEx segment on a route that only offers economy class is to be booked in B, not L.) Of course if I get someone who seems to have been assigned to the desk that day or so (which has happened more than once), I politely tell them I'm thinking things over, then hang up and call again.

Calchas Aug 21, 2019 5:29 am


Originally Posted by AlreadyThere (Post 31437075)
I have downloaded a copy of the rules so I am armed when I get someone at the dedicated desk who doesn't know as much as I do. (Most recently, I had to show where in the rules it says that a DONEx segment on a route that only offers economy class is to be booked in B, not L.)

I really don't understand how this level of incompetence exists ... a fare booking into a non-prime class on some sectors is hardly unusual. Is it just that everything is autopriced these days so no one ever does it by hand?

anabolism Aug 21, 2019 3:44 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 31439259)
I really don't understand how this level of incompetence exists ... a fare booking into a non-prime class on some sectors is hardly unusual. Is it just that everything is autopriced these days so no one ever does it by hand?

The AA RTW desk does not autoprice. The agents are supposed to know the rules and create valid itineraries which are then sent to an offshore desk for pricing. Many TAs don't autoprice RTWs either, sending them to the rate desk of the first carrier.

In your example, my guess is that agents are used to booking RTWs in the usual booking inventory (A, D, L for the most part).

Dr. HFH Aug 21, 2019 6:59 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 31441509)
... valid itineraries which are then sent to an offshore desk for pricing.

Is it still in Ireland? I always wondered why it wasn't in Dallas.

Calchas Aug 22, 2019 4:04 am


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 31441509)
The AA RTW desk does not autoprice. The agents are supposed to know the rules and create valid itineraries which are then sent to an offshore desk for pricing. Many TAs don't autoprice RTWs either, sending them to the rate desk of the first carrier.

In your example, my guess is that agents are used to booking RTWs in the usual booking inventory (A, D, L for the most part).

But I mean, even if you autoprice a regular TATL AA F itinerary, it will book into different codes on connecting sectors which don't offer F class, and the agent will see that.

It just seems completely inexplicable to me that a person trained to book itineraries would be unfamiliar with booking code exceptions.

anabolism Aug 28, 2019 5:39 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 31442081)
Is it still in Ireland? I always wondered why it wasn't in Dallas.

I don't think it's been in Ireland for a number of years. Last time I had AA price an RTW it went to Fiji or someplace around there.

anabolism Aug 28, 2019 5:40 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 31443119)
But I mean, even if you autoprice a regular TATL AA F itinerary, it will book into different codes on connecting sectors which don't offer F class, and the agent will see that.

It just seems completely inexplicable to me that a person trained to book itineraries would be unfamiliar with booking code exceptions.

Well, the AA Meeting Services people don't have the best reputation.

erdoran Nov 3, 2019 11:09 am

I'm sorry if I missed it in all these pages, but the cost, or even price range, seems to be unavailable. I don't want to spend a lot of time on this and then find the price is crazy. Can someone PLEASE just post what you can about prices for the different options for business and first? I originate in PHL. No definite idea where I'd go, but probably Fiji, Tonga, Australia/NZ, Papeete, Rome, Greece, Paris, London (open to trains between local places), Israel, Egypt, Singapore, Dubai, Seychelles, someplace in Africa for safari (maybe Kenya), Iceland, Anchorage, Las Vegas, Panama someplace, Peru, Chile. I'll spend time reading the rules & restrictions of course, and will strategize the order and dates to max things out. Senior discount if applicable, we're both over 65. These are just some ideas about places, we'd change them around if it turns out some add $$$$$$$ to fares.

What's a ballpark price range? We'd go cheapest season, flexible about dates (at this point anyway)....

jerry a. laska Nov 3, 2019 1:25 pm

You need to do some more reading in the forum to understand more of the nuances of the fares. You can also read the rules at oneworld.com or expertflyer.com.
You can look up fares at expertflyer.com.
For a start here are some coach and business fares ex-us:
coach:
lone3 - $3599
lone4 - 4999
lone5 - 5699
lone6 - 6899
business:
done3 - 9699
done4 - 10299
done5 - 11799
done6 - 13599


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