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pbd456 Aug 8, 2019 11:54 pm


Originally Posted by R2 (Post 31396300)
Probably. I would expect them to be priced in USD where possible. I also don't think they will be particularly attractive. AFAIK there is limited competition on most international routes ex-Africa and oneworld must have learned their lesson from the numerous pricing 'events' in Africa in recent years.

is it a legal requirement to price in local currencies for many countries?

Calchas Aug 9, 2019 9:02 am


Originally Posted by R2 (Post 31396300)
Probably. I would expect them to be priced in USD where possible. I also don't think they will be particularly attractive. AFAIK there is limited competition on most international routes ex-Africa and oneworld must have learned their lesson from the numerous pricing 'events' in Africa in recent years.

Currency of air fares is set by IATA, not the filing airline—it takes a while (months at least) before the currency can be changed.

Agree that ex-Africa is unlikely to be filled with bargains.

pbd456 Aug 10, 2019 1:50 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 31397468)
Currency of air fares is set by IATA, not the filing airline—it takes a while (months at least) before the currency can be changed.

Agree that ex-Africa is unlikely to be filled with bargains.

initially, maybe no bargain. but over time, opportunities will emerge which is how things have been playing out.

pyffii Aug 10, 2019 4:00 am

My proposed RTW is:
NRT-LHR-PSA-LHR-MUC....INN-LHR-YVR-DFW-LIR-DFW-BWI-JFK-SFO-MEL-BNE-MEL-NRT
is this lega as in 16 sectors l as I can’t now fly LHR-INN-LHR.....so has to be LHR-MUC and then "overland" to LHR via INN-LHR on a seperate ticket
Thanks in advance


Dr. HFH Aug 10, 2019 10:06 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 31399950)
initially, maybe no bargain. but over time, opportunities will emerge which is how things have been playing out.

I agree. Initially, of course, the fares will be set to the proper levels. However, Africa has some volatile countries, so over time, bargains may start to emerge. Other than immediate crises, though, this will take years of gradual currency changes to really make a difference IMO.

Calchas Aug 10, 2019 10:37 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 31399950)
initially, maybe no bargain. but over time, opportunities will emerge which is how things have been playing out.

I agree.

henry999 Aug 10, 2019 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 31400153)
My proposed RTW is:
NRT-LHR-PSA-LHR-MUC....INN-LHR-YVR-DFW-LIR-DFW-BWI-JFK-SFO-MEL-BNE-MEL-NRT

It looks OK but I would do ...LHR-MUC-LHR... and take a train from Munich to Innsbruck and back.

pandaperth Aug 10, 2019 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 31400153)
My proposed RTW is:
NRT-LHR-PSA-LHR-MUC....INN-LHR-YVR-DFW-LIR-DFW-BWI-JFK-SFO-MEL-BNE-MEL-NRT
is this lega as in 16 sectors l as I can’t now fly LHR-INN-LHR.....so has to be LHR-MUC and then "overland" to LHR via INN-LHR on a seperate ticket
Thanks in advance


Is the INN-LHR segment part of your RTW ticket?

If Yes, then your ticket is not valid, because it consists of 17 segments; the ticket has a limit of 16 segments.

4(h) A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey.
If No, then your RTW ticket is valid, because it consists of 16 segments:
NRT-LHR-PSA-LHR-MUC....LHR-YVR-DFW-LIR-DFW-BWI-JFK-SFO-MEL-BNE-MEL-NRT

pyffii Aug 10, 2019 5:38 pm

INN-LHR would be a separately bought sector to keep the ticket within the 16 sector limit and taking the train back to Munich is not really an option as carrying checked bags and it’s a 4 hour train ride from Merano with changes so much easier and simpler to go to Innsbruck.....thanks all for your advice

Mwenenzi Aug 10, 2019 8:56 pm


Originally Posted by pyffii (Post 31402229)
INN-LHR would be a separately bought sector to keep the ticket within the 16 sector limit and taking the train back to Munich is not really an option as carrying checked bags and it’s a 4 hour train ride from Merano with changes so much easier and simpler to go to Innsbruck.....thanks all for your advice

But INV-LHR-xxx has no UK APD. A good reason to have part of the itinerary

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=NRT-LHR...SU=kts&RS=best

Consider HND as well as NRT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haneda_Airport

lax.sea.jnu Aug 11, 2019 10:25 pm

Has anyone had any success in booking a RTW or Circle Pacific with the first leg on Cathay? I've called twice now, and I've only received an e-mail back with a price on the RTW fare, but the e-mail made it seem that the Circle Pacific fare doesn't exist, which is clearly shown on Cathay's website. The last agent I spoke to said I would receive a call back, but these tickets may take 1 hr + to book and I'd prefer to do it at my convenience. Also, I'm looking to book 5 people and the flight I want is A5 currently, so I'm hoping to make a connection with the proper team soon.

jerry a. laska Aug 11, 2019 10:57 pm

If you are talking about booking a oneworld explorer ticket, have you tried to book thru the AA RTW desk? The fact the first segment is on another airline does not foreclose AA from issuing the ticket and the AA RTW desk is usually a joy to work with.

anabolism Aug 12, 2019 9:12 am


Originally Posted by lax.sea.jnu (Post 31405748)
Has anyone had any success in booking a RTW or Circle Pacific with the first leg on Cathay? I've called twice now, and I've only received an e-mail back with a price on the RTW fare, but the e-mail made it seem that the Circle Pacific fare doesn't exist, which is clearly shown on Cathay's website. The last agent I spoke to said I would receive a call back, but these tickets may take 1 hr + to book and I'd prefer to do it at my convenience. Also, I'm looking to book 5 people and the flight I want is A5 currently, so I'm hoping to make a connection with the proper team soon.

What fare basis and base fare did Cathay quote you? If your routing complies with Circle Pacific rules, then it should qualify as xCIRxx rather than xONEx or xGLOBxx. You might reply back by email to confirm that it is priced as desired (e.g., using DCIR22). You could also call AA, but they will likely want one or more over the water flights booked as AA codes, which you might or might not be happy about.

anabolism Aug 12, 2019 9:21 am


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 31407360)
What fare basis and base fare did Cathay quote you? If your routing complies with Circle Pacific rules, then it should qualify as xCIRxx rather than xONEx or xGLOBxx. You might reply back by email to confirm that it is priced as desired (e.g., using DCIR22). You could also call AA, but they will likely want one or more over the water flights booked as AA codes, which you might or might not be happy about.

For comparison, the base xCIRxx fares I see in EF for ex-HKG in USD are:
  • LCIR22: $3002.43
  • LCIR26: $3663.12
  • LCIR29SA: $3904.18
  • DCIR22: $5247.24
  • DCIR26: $6401.53
  • DCIR29SA: $6819.88
  • ACIR22: $7492.05
  • ACIR26: $9139.95
  • ACIR29SA: $9739.41
The SA fares allow South America and flights with LA codes operated by SA. The xCIRxxSA rules say:


TRAVEL MUST ORIGINATE IN OR INCLUDE SOUTH AMERICA.
TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE NORTH/CENTRAL PACIFIC IN
ONE DIRECTION AND VIA CHILE/ARGENTINA TO/FROM
THE SOUTH WEST PACIFIC PACIFIC USING THE SERVICES
OF QF/LA IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.​​​​​​​

lax.sea.jnu Aug 12, 2019 10:21 am


Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 31405808)
If you are talking about booking a oneworld explorer ticket, have you tried to book thru the AA RTW desk? The fact the first segment is on another airline does not foreclose AA from issuing the ticket and the AA RTW desk is usually a joy to work with.

I tried the AA desk, and they could only book 330 days in advance. All the flights I'm looking at are available from other OW partners. One of the flights I want is A5, and I'm trying to book for 5 people so I'd like to get this done ASAP. The AA rep also said that they would need to look for "American space" on the first flight. I asked if she was referring to American codeshares, and she said "no, just American space." I'm not sure what that refers to.


Originally Posted by anabolism
What fare basis and base fare did Cathay quote you? If your routing complies with Circle Pacific rules, then it should qualify as xCIRxx rather than xONEx or xGLOBxx. You might reply back by email to confirm that it is priced as desired (e.g., using DCIR22). You could also call AA, but they will likely want one or more over the water flights booked as AA codes, which you might or might not be happy about.

I'm looking to make 2 bookings for 2 groups of passengers, 1 group on ACIR22 and 1 group on AONE3. I received an e-mail from CX that said my AIRC22 routing wasn't a valid RTW routing (obviously). I'm not sure they were aware of Circle Pacific. I received a call last night from CX but I was sleeping and missed it. It is a bit annoying I can't call at my own convenience. I imagine they will be especially hard to reach now with HKIA closed.


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