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Originally Posted by R2
(Post 31949089)
Does this phantom surface segment HND-NRT need to be counted as one of my 16 segments? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by R2
(Post 31949089)
Does this phantom surface segment HND-NRT need to be counted as one of my 16 segments? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by AlreadyThere
(Post 31959295)
I saw that ernestnywang replied No. Are you sure? IME in every other case I've come across, such segments have in fact counted: IAD-DCA, JFK-LGA, LHR-LGW...
In the middle of a trip:-- yes |
Originally Posted by R2
(Post 31949089)
I'm planning a xONEx ex-Japan. My first flight would be leaving NRT and the last flight arriving to HND. The rule is the following:
Does this phantom surface segment HND-NRT need to be counted as one of my 16 segments? Thanks.
Originally Posted by AlreadyThere
(Post 31959295)
I saw that ernestnywang replied No. Are you sure? IME in every other case I've come across, such segments have in fact counted: IAD-DCA, JFK-LGA, LHR-LGW...
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As noted by others starting and ending an xonex at different airports in Japan is legal under the rules and does not require the use of one of your 16 segments.
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Rule (e) states:
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows: 1. Two permitted in North America. ... |
Originally Posted by andreiz
(Post 32005622)
Rule (e) states:
Does this mean that after several segments in North America, I can travel to South America and then have another stopover in NA before flying to Asia, for example? |
Which continents are possible to do with a DONE3 starting in Europe? I wanted to fly Europe-NA-SA-Europe, but then realized I can't backtrack from SA to Europe. So is it just Europe-NA-Asia?
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Originally Posted by andreiz
(Post 32005763)
Which continents are possible to do with a DONE3 starting in Europe? I wanted to fly Europe-NA-SA-Europe, but then realized I can't backtrack from SA to Europe. So is it just Europe-NA-Asia?
One of the rules is that you must visit each TC1 = North America and South America TC2 = Europe/Middle East And Africa TC3 = Asia and South West Pacific ETA: Should have thought of adding this earlier: - a snippet from the soon to be new wiki to this thread: The ticket rules divide up the world into three “ TC1 = North and South America TC2 = Europe/Middle East and Africa TC3 = Asia and South West Pacific (SWP) https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...cbfe52fc9b.png Notes: Europe/Middle East includes the countries of North Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan) Russia is split between Europe/Middle East and Asia (the split is at the Ural Mountains), Main Routing Rules:
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My husband & I have already started a DONE4. We bought our tickets through JAL & started our trip from Tokyo. One of our flight coming up is with Cathay SEA-HKG-BKK. In anticipation of those flights potentially being cancelled or Thailand issuing restrictions for passengers transiting through Hong Kong, I want to change our flight to JAL SEA-NRT-BKK. Cathay has already cancelled our original flight but rebooked us a day earlier on another flight. There is not telling if this new flight will also eventually be cancelled as the situation does not look good for Cathay at this time.
Providing seats are available & open for RTW passengers, would I be able to transit through my departure city (NRT)? I know I would not be able to do a stopover but this would only be a 2hrs layover. Our options are very limited as we have to cross the Pacific because we crossed the Atlantic at the beginning of our trip. The only possible routes from SEA considering this, are through HKG or NRT. Going through London with BA is not an option as it would add a continent to our trip unless a layover in a separate continent would be authorized without counting it as a continent. In the event that either Cathay cancels the flight with no possible rebook or that Thailand issues restrictions (like other countries have done), would JAL be responsible to get us to BKK through a different route & flight or would we be on our own to resolve this issue? Just trying to get expert advices before calling JAL as often the agents do not know the rules. I'm trying to be as prepared as possible. Any help would be greatly appreciated. |
I would call the American Airlines RTW desk - (800) 247-3247 - and explain your problem to the agents there. AA might be able to take over the ticket from JAL, or at least can help you decide on alternatives. There are various possibilities that would let you get to BKK without transiting Japan (your starting country) or via Hong Kong - e.g. SEA-DFW-ICN-KUL-BKK using AA and Malaysian. If those extra segments would put you over the 16 flight limit, AA has the ability to rewrite the ticket waiving that restriction. They've done so in the past during periods of irregular operations, e.g. strikes, airlines going under (such as Malev Hungarian or Air Berlin) and the coronavirus might be a similar situation. I'd call them regardless.
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Originally Posted by Gardyloo
(Post 32048983)
I would call the American Airlines RTW desk - (800) 247-3247 - and explain your problem to the agents there. AA might be able to take over the ticket from JAL, or at least can help you decide on alternatives. There are various possibilities that would let you get to BKK without transiting Japan (your starting country) or via Hong Kong - e.g. SEA-DFW-ICN-KUL-BKK using AA and Malaysian. If those extra segments would put you over the 16 flight limit, AA has the ability to rewrite the ticket waiving that restriction. They've done so in the past during periods of irregular operations, e.g. strikes, airlines going under (such as Malev Hungarian or Air Berlin) and the coronavirus might be a similar situation. I'd call them regardless.
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Originally Posted by mjoeroy
(Post 32048851)
My husband & I have already started a DONE4. We bought our tickets through JAL & started our trip from Tokyo. One of our flight coming up is with Cathay SEA-HGK-BKK. In anticipation of those flights potentially being cancelled or Thailand issuing restrictions for passengers transiting through Hong Kong, I want to change our flight to JAL SEA-NRT-BKK. Cathay has already cancelled our original flight but rebooked us a day earlier on another flight. There is not telling if this new flight will also eventually be cancelled as the situation does not look good for Cathay at this time.
. Until an official wavier is in place you have to go the xONEx rules. With a wavier can be more latitude with flights if your route becomes impossible. But airlines can play hard ball As above on another route to your next stop (BKK?) via NRT/HND/ICN/SIN/KUL/where ever. If you have run out of USA segments may need to pay for a separate flight to the (new) departure airport. Have you used all the Asian segments? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattl...tional_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haneda_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narita...tional_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai...tional_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suvarnabhumi_Airport Please let us know what happens. You will not be the only people trying to change flights in Asia Edit JAL fly LAX-KIX-BKK. and HNL-KIX-BKK. I suspect a little know routes. Can AA get you to HNL? From PHX-HNL? Or pay for a flight? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel...tional_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai...tional_Airport Your full route would help getting more answers considering the 16 segment limitation |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 32049077)
Indeed dealing with airline of the flight you want to change can be the way to go (I have done that)
Why simply rebooking a freely-changeable segment from a D class seat Wednesday to a D class seat Thursday on the same flight now requires a call to the originally ticketing carrier and a complete ticket reissue is not clear to me. It wasn't always that way. |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 32049077)
Any OW airline can make changes to a xONEx. You do need to continue to deal with the airline that issued the ticket. Indeed dealing with airline of the flight you want to change can be the way to go (I have done that)
Until an official wavier is in place you have to go the xONEx rules. With a wavier can be more latitude with flights if your route becomes impossible. But airlines can play hard ball As above on another route to your next stop (BKK?) via NRT/HND/ICN/SIN/KUL/where ever. If you have run out of USA segments may need to pay for a separate flight to the (new) departure airport. Have you used all the Asian segments? ....... Edit JAL fly LAX-KIX-BKK. and HNL-KIX-BKK. I suspect a little know routes. Can AA get you to HNL? Or pay for a flight? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansai...tional_Airport To be honest, I'm not sure if we have used all our Asia or U.S. segments. Here are our segments NRT-DEL-DOH-SOA-land to EZE-SCL-LIM-MDE-MEX (this segment is via MIA as there were no direct flights)-SNA (this segment via DFW as no direct flights)-land to SEA-BKK (via HKG as no direct flights)-NRT. This is my first RTW ticket & although I did a lot of research last year before I booked the tickets, I'm pretty novice at this. I definitely suspect many will want to change flights/routes in Asia. That's why I started this process last week in anticipation. I called JAL & at the time, they denied me saying although seats were available, they were not open to RTW passengers. They suggested I called them again in a week. Now that Cathay as officially cancelled many flights, it will get worse. Might get even worse if this continues. That's why I would rather change this in anticipation. JAL customer support in English is only open M-F. Cathay lines are totally jammed. Not sure if AA RTW desk is open on the weekend. I might give that a try. I will definitely give updates as I move along in this process. |
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