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INTRODUCTION
This wiki describes the basics of the Oneworld Alliances popular RTW ticket - the Oneworld Explorer. Oneworld has another RTW ticket, the Global Explorer, and Star Alliance and Skyteam also have similar products these tickets limit the number of flights to 16 and have maximum mileage limitations, whereas the Oneworld Explorer has the same limit of 16 flights but has no mileage limit (which is probably why it is so popular!)

The wiki is not exhaustive but does cover all the major topics that you need to know if you are thinking about going RTW on this ticket
The FAQ section at the end answers some questions that newbies often have

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TICKET BASICS
You must circle the globe, either westbound or eastbound, crossing both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans

You are allowed a maximum of 16 flights and can fly with any of the airlines in the Oneworld Alliance, plus their affiliate airlines

You can purchase the ticket from one of the airlines, or through a travel agent, or by using the Oneworld Explorer on-line booking tool

You can change or cancel your ticket, before or after departure (fees may apply)

From first flight to last flight, you have one year to complete the journey

The total price of a ticket depends on the number of continents, the cabin class, the starting point, and the actual flights you take (for calculating arrival/departure charges and airline surcharges)
Some ballpark prices (as at January 2020) are:
  • 2,500 (USD3,300) for a 3 continent economy class ticket starting in the U.K.
  • 7,000 (USD8,000) for a 4 continent business class ticket starting in a euro zone country
  • 1,500,000 (USD14,000) for a 5 continent first class ticket starting in Japan
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TICKET RULES
This section identifies the main rules of the ticket, which are those to do with how you can move from continent to continent and also within a continent
At the end of the section is a link to the full rule sheet on the Oneworld web site

The ticket rules divide up the world into three Tariff Conferences (TC) each having two continents; as follows:
TC1 = North and South America
TC2 = Europe/Middle East and Africa
TC3 = Asia and South West Pacific (SWP)

Notes:
Europe/Middle East includes the countries of North Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan)
Russia is split between Europe/Middle East and Asia (the split is at the Ural Mountains),

Main Routing Rules:
  • You must visit all three Tariff Conferences you will of course be starting in one of them, so you must visit the other two in order (travelling either eastbound or westbound), and complete your RTW journey by returning to your starting TC; generally you must return to your starting country (there are exceptions - see More Rule Details below for more information)
  • Within a TC, you can visit either or both continents
  • Within a continent you can travel about in any direction you like
  • You are limited to four flight segments per continent (6 for North America) subject to an overall maximum of 16 segments in the whole itinerary
  • You cannot travel via your point of origin
  • You cannot return to your country of origin until the end
    (exception: if you start in the U.S.A. then you are allowed to make one transit there, but without stopover)
  • You cannot fly directly more than once between two cities in the same direction
  • There are restrictions on trans-continental flights in Australia and in North America (including to/from Alaska and Hawaii) see More Rule Details below
  • You are allowed to visit each northern hemisphere continent twice, but each southern hemisphere continent only once see More Rule Details below

Segments
There are two types of segment flight and surface

A flight segment is a direct flight between two airports (it may be a non-stop flight, or it may stop somewhere on the way for example BAs London to Sydney flight stops in Singapore)

A surface segment is when you land at one airport and later depart from another airport. The airports may be close to each other (for example the 11 miles between New York's La Guardia and JFK airports) or distant (for example Chicago and LA - for someone whos going to drive the more than 2,000 miles all the way of Route 66)
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  • You are allowed a maximum of 16 segments
  • Within each continent, you are allowed up to 4 flight segments (6 for North America)
  • You must fly across the Atlantic and Pacific oceans - surface segments are not allowed
    (exception: for itineraries starting in SWP one crossing can be a surface segment)
  • You are allowed a surface segment between your point of origin and your final destination, which does not count toward the 16 maximum allowed see More Rule Details below

Stopovers
You have a stopover when there is more than 24 hours between the scheduled arrival time of one flight and the scheduled departure time of the next flight (if you spend 24 hours or less between flights, that is called a Transit)
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  • You must have at least two stopovers in your itinerary
  • You are allowed only two stopovers in your continent of origin (each can be a surface segment; you can still have the maximum allowed number of flight segments in the continent )

There is no restriction on multiple stopovers at one place (other than the point of origin). It is possible to stopover in the same place up to four times (five in North America)

Ticket Validity
From first flight to last flight, you have one year to complete the journey
Also, airline general conditions of carriage allow you book up to one year in advance
So, in theory, you can book an itinerary that will start in one years time and end in two years time
BUT airline booking systems can only hold booking that are up to about one year in advance. However there is way around this problem see the Ticket Tricks section below

More Rule Details
This section provides more detail on:
  • Restrictions on trans-continental flights in Australia
  • Restrictions on trans-continental flights in North America, including Alaska and Hawaii
  • Surface segment between point of origin and final destination
  • Second visits to northern hemisphere continents

Restrictions on trans-continental flights in Australia
The relevant rule for Australia is:
4(l) Within Australia ‐ only one nonstop/single plane service flight is permitted between the following points:
BNE/CBR/CNS/SYD/MEL ‐ PER
CBR/MEL/SYD ‐ DRW
BNE/MEL/SYD ‐ BME
BNE/MEL/SYD ‐ KTA
EXCEPTION
  1. No restriction between SYD/MEL ‐ PER for passengers originating in PER when in conjunction with travel to/from JNB/SHA
  2. No restriction between SYD/MEL ‐ PER for passengers originating in New Zealand when in conjunction with travel to/from JNB
The online booking tool interprets this rule to mean you are allowed only one of the flights depicted on this map

However, there have been recent (2019) reports here on FT that some airline telephone agents are allowing one flight to or from each of the west coast cities (subject to the overall limit of four flight segments for the continent)

Restrictions on trans-continental flights in North America, including Alaska and Hawaii
The relevant rules for North America are:
4(k) Within the USA/Canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted. A transcontinental flight is defined as travel between a State in column A and a State in column B.
Additionally, only one flight to State of Alaska and one flight from State of Alaska permitted
and:
4(b) Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 ‐ TC2 ‐ TC3.
Backtracking within a continent is permitted except as follows:
Backtracking between Hawaii and other points in North America is not permitted.
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Surface segment between point of origin and final destination
The relevant rule is:
4(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin‐destination surface segments are permitted as follows:
a. within the country of origin
b. within the Middle East
c. between the United States and Canada
d. between HKG and China
e. between Malaysia and SIN
f. within Africa
g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Really, it is a bit confusing to call this a surface segment; the more usual phrase is "open jaw at origin"

Second visits to northern hemisphere continents
The relevant rule is:
4(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
  1. Two permitted in North America.
  2. Two permitted in Asia
  3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
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Because of the requirement in Rule 4(b) (Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 ‐ TC2 ‐ TC3), the only way to have a second visit (i.e. a second intercontinental departure and a second intercontinental arrival) to a continent is to travel down to its southern hemisphere neighbour and then return

You can stopover in the northern continent both before and after you travel south

For North America and Asia there are no additional rules

For Europe/Middle East, the continent is divided into two zones Europe Zone and Middle East Zone, as shown (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are in the Europe Zone; Libya, Egypt and Sudan are in the Middle East Zone)

The rule is that if both your intercontinental flights are between Africa and the Europe Zone, then South Africa and Mauritius cannot be included in the itinerary
Fortunately, Qatar Airways serves many destinations in Africa from its hub in Qatar, Middle East

Further information on rules
This section has not covered every single rule in the rule sheet for the Oneworld Explorer ticket
See the full rule sheet on the Oneworld web site for more information
Go to Oneworld Around the World
Scroll down to the Frequently Asked Questions
Click on "How is my fare calculated? "
Click on the oneworld Explorer link

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TICKET COST
The ticket cost is made up of two components:
- the base fare, and
- the add-ons

Base Fares
As an example, here are the base fares for Canada (provided by an FTer)

Base fares vary by cabin class, number of continents and starting country

The highest class of all the flights determines the class charged for whole journey. So if only one flight in your itinerary has first class and you want to fly that flight in first class then you must purchase a first-class ticket (and be downgraded on all the other flights on the ticket). You cannot purchase mixed cabin tickets. There are no Premium Economy fares. If you are purchasing an economy ticket, you can pay extra to fly individual flight segments in premium economy.

Each continent you visit is counted, including your continent of origin
A continent is counted even if all you do is change planes there; even if your plane merely lands there (flying London-Sydney your plane will stop at Singapore, so you pay for Asia)
And, in the case of Asia, you pay even if you fly non-stop between Europe/Middle East and South West Pacific (say on the London-Perth non-stop Qantas flight)

Oneworld does not publish the base fares
However, if you search the Oneworld forum here on FT you will find some fares posted, especially for lower cost starting points
Ask the friendly FT community if you cannot find the fares for a country you are interested in (some have access to systems that show the fares)

Add-Ons
The add-ons are the various taxes, fees and charges added on by governments and airlines
How much you will pay for your particular itinerary will depend on which airports you fly into and out of, and which airlines you use
For planning purposes, estimate 10-15% of the base fare for add-ons.

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TICKET PURCHASE
The ways to purchase a ticket are:
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  • Purchase directly from a Oneworld Airline
    It is best to have done your homework and be able to spoon-feed your itinerary to the agent (for each flight: date, origin, destination, flight number).

    The agent will check there are seats available in your booking class and that your itinerary complies with all the rules of the ticket. The end result of this step will be that you have a booking in the airlines system; you should receive an email confirmation of this check this carefully: that your name is correct, and all the flights are as you wanted

    The booking will be sent to the airlines fares team which will double-check its validity and price it up

    Once you have paid, a ticket will be issued and emailed to you - again, check this carefully
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  • Purchase from a Travel Agent
    This process is very similar to purchasing direct from an airline. The agent will send the booking to the airline for pricing, and once you have paid the airline will issue your ticket
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  • Use the on-line booking tool
    The online tool has been around for about 10 years, but it has always been flaky and as the fare rules have changed over time, it has not kept pace
    But when it works, it works, particularly for simple itineraries

    Generally, the ticket will be issued by whichever airline flies your first segment.
    The first carrier cannot be Qatar Airways.
    Depending on airline, you either pay in the tool or you will be given a reference number to pay by phone.

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TICKET CHANGES
You can make changes to your ticket at any time - either before you start your journey or once you have started
If you are adding or changing flights, then there needs to be seats available in your booking class on the new flights
The airline or agent making the changes for you may charge a service fee
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  • Ticketed point changes are changes to the list of airports in the itinerary dropping or adding points (including adding or removing connections) or reordering the list. Depending on the airline and potentially the specific agent, changing stopovers to transits or vice versa may also be considered a re-route.

    The change fee is USD125 (one fee for all changes made at the same time)

    Generally, the add-on charges will be recalculated which may result in additional fees to pay or a refund of fees already paid
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  • Provided ticketed points are unchanged, there is no change fee for changes you make; however there may still be a service fee.

    Examples of such changes are changing the date of a flight, or changing from one airline to another that also flies between the two points (say from BA to AA between London Heathrow and New York JFK)
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  • If you are making the changes before departure, then changes to ticketed points or to the first segment (even just a simple date change), will result in a re-price if the fare has increased
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  • You can increase the number of continents in your itinerary and/or upgrade the class of travel there is no change fee but you must of course pay the recalculated fare. There is no refund for downgrading (and you must pay the change fee).
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  • There is a fee to cancel the ticket, which you can do at any time
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PLANNING TOOLS
The following tools have proved useful, to varying degrees for planning Oneworld Explorer journeys
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  • Oneworlds See Where We Fly tool allows you to see all Oneworld destinations and what flights there are to/from each, and between any two airports - it works well
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  • Oneworlds Plan and Book Your Itinerary on-line booking tool should be the primary, and maybe only, tool needed

    It is intended to allow entry of complete itineraries and take a user right through to booking and paying.

    Unfortunately, it is very buggy and poorly maintained - so buggy theres an FT Thread on it (xONEx Tool Bugs Thread)
    The biggest problems are that it has not been kept up to date with rule changes, and frustratingly the tool can just hang (forever), especially when you ask it to price your itinerary

    When it works, it works OK - you can enter your itinerary, it will display a picklist of flights for each segment and when youve chosen them all, you can request the price (it will itemise all the add-ons) and then you can pay
    Just be cautious with regard to the rules; it will sometimes flag an error where there is no error; if in doubt ask for advice here on FT
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  • The Great Circle Mapper tool is great for visualising your itinerary; and you can copy and print your final itinerary (so you can pin it up at work and make your colleagues jealous)
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  • Subscription services. If you are getting serious about planning your RTW journey you might consider two on-line tools - KVS and ExpertFlyer, which have lots of features including fare look-up, timetables, seat availability.
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  • The Matrix and Google Flights can be used to check flight schedules and to see the +++ add-on charges for individual flights.

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TERMINOLOGY

Oneworld Explorer Specific
  • OWE acronym for One World Explorer
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  • xONEx, LONE4, AONE6, DONE3, DONEx, xONE5 and their variants
    All tickets have what is called a Fare Basis, which identifies the fare in airline computer systems. The fare basis code is a string of letters and numbers
    OWE fare basis codes are all five characters long - the letters ONE in the middle, a single digit at the end (specifying the number of continents), and a single letter at the beginning (called the Booking Class) specifying the cabin class A for First, D for Business and L for Economy)

    So when someone posts about a DONE4, that is shorthand for a 4-continent Oneworld Explorer in Business Class; LONEx is referring to Economy Class Oneworld Explorers in general; xONEx refers to all Oneworld Explorers
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  • SWP is shorthand for the South West Pacific continent

General
These general terms are often used in discussing xONEx tickets
  • Booking Class - tbc
  • +++ and ai are used to indicate if a fare is the base fare ($500+++) or the all-in fare($650ai) (+++ meaning that the add-ons need to be added on)
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TICKET TRICKS
Booking in Advance
The rules allow you to book a ticket one year in advance, for an itinerary where the last flight is one year after the first flight (so two years after booking)
But airline booking systems cannot book flights that far in advance

The trick to booking such itineraries is to make use of the fact that date changes are free
So use dummy dates for the later flights in your itinerary; you can change them later to the actual dates you want

Ways to Reduce Costs
Start Somewhere Less Expensive
Fares vary by cabin class, number of continents and starting country. So check out the fares from nearby countries. Of course, here on FT there are posts identifying the known less expensive starting countries. As at Jan-2020 these are:
Europe: Norway
Asia: Japan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka
North America: Canada
Africa: South Africa, Namibia and Mozambique
If you live in another country, then you would need to factor in the positioning costs to get to a low fare country to start the RTW and to get home from the final destination. As a concrete example - the fare differences between Canada and the U.S. vary from USD750 for a LONE3 through to USD4,000 for an AONE6

Where there are multiple carriers flying the same route look at the surcharges for each, they can vary a bit

The total government charge to land in a country can be quite different to the total charge to leave that country. The notorious example is the U.K. no charges at all to land there, but significant charges to leave from there, especially if flying long-haul in a premium cabin so if you are intending to fly in and out of Europe then fly into the U.K and out from somewhere else.

Avoid Short Flight Segments
16 flights may seem like a lot, but when you start planning your trip you will likely find that 16 is not enough!
If this happens then look at your short-haul flights; places such as Europe are easy to get around by train save your flight segments for those long-haul flights.
Low cost carriers are another option; they are good for S.E. Asia.
Also look at your first and last flights. If they are short flights, probably getting you to a major hub for its long-haul flights, then consider making your own way to and from the hub that way you will free up two segments to use elsewhere

Avoid Short Surface Segments
Sometimes when you are planning an itinerary, you end up with pesky little surface segments, such as LGA-JFK, LHR-LGW, which waste a whole segment of your allowed 16 segments.
The trick is to find somewhere in between such that the surface segment is eliminated.
For example, you want to fly from Atlanta to New York and then fly transatlantic from New York. The problem is that all the AA flights into New York are in to LGA, and none of the Oneworld transatlantic flights leave from LGA. The solution is to fly from Atlanta to somewhere that has flights into JFK for example Chicago, Dallas or Miami. This will eliminate the surface segment and give you an extra stopover!

Break the RTW into Two (or more) Portions
You might not have the time to do a complete RTW in one go. If so, it is possible to break it into two or more separate trips. You can purchase a return ticket home from some intermediate point, or you can start somewhere other than home and have a stopover at home partway through the RTW

Use all 16 Segments
It is possible to have un-used segments at the end of your trip.
Consider someone starting a 3-continent trip from the US 3 intercontinental flights plus 4 flights in Europe and another 4 in Asia all totals 11 flights, leaving 5 unused!
OK you might use a couple getting to and from a gateway city to leave/come back to Nth America still leaves 3 unused.

So, you could use those spare segments as surface segments somewhere, or you could have a holiday in the US; heres the trick:
  • Remember that you can have two stopovers in your continent of origin and can fly the allowed number of flight segments (6 for Nth America but limited to 16 segments on the entire itinerary)
  • Remember also that you cannot travel via your point of origin
  • Lets say your hometown is NYC dont start from there! Start from say Boston or Philadelphia; that way after going around the world, you can stopover in NYC which will be the first of your two allowed stopovers in Nth America.
  • Then later, but still within the one year allowed by the ticket, use the left-over segments to have the second stopover somewhere else in the US (Miami say) and to fly back to NYC at the end.
  • This way, apart from the +++ for the final flights, you get a free round trip! (Note: there is no restriction on stopping over at your final destination in the example that means you can stopover in NYC, even though it is also your final destination)
  • If you have 3 segments to play with, then the west coast is reachable (remember you are allowed only one transcontinental flight, so you need three flights - say JFK-oLAX-xDFW-JFK (o means stopover, x means transit))
The whole thing can be done in reverse free US trip first (starting say BOS-oLAX-xCHI-JFK) and then go around the world, ending in New York

So, that can work well for someone originating in a large country such as the U.S. But what about starting in a small country such as the U.K.? The trick here is to start in a nearby country say France, which will then be the country of origin and so after the RTW (ending with a stopover in London) the extra segments can be used for flights and a second stopover in Europe/Middle East, ending in France.
Our New Yorker can play this trick too by starting in Canada the extra flights can be to a North American destination outside the U.S. (Bermuda say). An added benefit is that the itinerary can still end in New York

For northern hemisphere starting points, there is one more trick possible to make effective use of leftover segments a return trip to the neighbouring southern hemisphere continent. This will add a continent to the itinerary, which is not free but might be cost-effective compared to purchasing a completely separate ticket to go down there. So our New Yorker can start in Canada, travel around the world ending up back in New York for a stopover, and later have a trip down to Rio returning to New York after it.

Five (or even six) holidays!
This is going over the top, but it is possible! At least for those located in the northern hemisphere (those of us located south of the equator miss out on this ☹)
  • Take a positioning flight to another continent and start from there (you will get to visit this continent twice, which may drive your choice of starting continent)
  • When you return to your home continent take separate trips:
    • 2 return trips in your home continent using the 4 flights allowed per continent (3 return trips using 6 flights allowed in North America)
    • a return trip to your southern hemisphere neighbour
    • complete your RTW trip by returning to your starting point
Heres an example of such a trip - for a Londoner:
Position to Sri Lanka (one of the low-cost starting countries); start an xONE5 from CMB
  1. CMB-NRT-JFK-MBJ-MIA-LAX-LHR
  2. LHR-TLV-LHR
  3. LHR-RAK-LHR
  4. LHR-SEZ-LHR
  5. LHR-MEL-AKL-HKG-MLE; then re-position home from The Maldives
Of course for some people 5 holidays in one year might seem a bit OTT😊


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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
Ticket rule questions

Ticket cost questions

Ticket purchase questions

Ticket change questions

Terminology questions

Planning tools questions

Ticket tricks questions

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Change Log
Date User Handle Change Description
2021-May-10 pandaperth "one visit to ANC" etc changed to "one visit to State of Alaska" etc see Changes to the xONEx Rule Sheet
2021-May-10 pandaperth Updated the instructions to go to the full rule sheet on the oneworld web site
2021-Jun-01 pandaperth Rule 4(k) - Inserted new table of west coast and east coast states
2023-Nov-20 anabalism - added text noting that changing stops to connections and vice versa may or may not be considered a route change.
2024-Jan-18 Mwenenzi - formatting






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Old Apr 5, 2024, 9:58 am
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: NRT / HND
Programs: AA EXP, NH Plat, Former UA 1K
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Originally Posted by peterd87
I'm trying to compile a route leaving Europe, visiting Australia, SWP (Fiji, Apia) and traveling then via the US back to Amsterdam. On the back I'm trying to tie a trip to the Middle East (Dubai) for a week.

The main issue is that I'm maxing out my miles and that I'm left with a number of segments.

Current routing is as follows (unfortunately not allowed to post screenshots):
OSL - DOH: 3082MI
DOH - ADL: 7030MI
ADL - ASP: 816MI

ASP - BNE: ground segment 1223MI

BNE-APW: 2433MI
APW-NAN: 753MI
NAN-LAX: 4796MI
LAX-DFW: 1073MI
DFW-AMS: 4921MI

AMS-DOH: 3062MI
DOH-DXB: 235MI
DXB-DOH: 235MI
DOH-OSL: 3082MI

Totaling: 33625MI - 13 segments

Does anyone have advise on potential improvements to further maximize, the Dubai trip is negotiable, Australia / SWP isn't (but routing can change). Took OSL as a starting point as this this is mentioned as one of the cheaper.
You're pretty much maxed out for a DGLOB34, and you can't use FJ on a DONE4 / 5, so you have to decide if that's your priority. I'm honestly not sure if that ground segment ASP-BNE counts toward your 34,000 miles or not, we don't see a lot of chatter about the DGLOB* tickets on here. Are you driving that segment? Otherwise I'd certainly be doing it on QF, it's a long drive with not a lot in between but is only 3 days a week to BNE and QF only fly to APW from BNE. Your other short segments aren't terribly wasteful in my opinion as they aren't particularly cheap if you would have done them in business class anyway. The US domestic segments are a tossup, but ADL-ASP and DOH-DXB aren't cheap as standalones in business.

Your only other option that I see is to convert it to a DONE4, where you can have a lot more miles, but you can't have any FJ segments. That means buying your own way APW-NAN and also finding a different route from NAN-USA, but you could do NAN-SYD-DFW on QF (requires overnight in SYD). You haven't touched Asia at all, though on a DONEx you're still charged for it going from Europe to the Oceana zone, so there's potential to add segments there. A DONE4 vs. a DGLOB34 is only about a $60-70 difference on the base fare, so if you have any interest in visiting a couple of places in Asia it could be worthwhile. If you have no interest in Asia then stick with what you have, you're not wasting segments because you're at the limit on miles for that ticket, and you can't use FJ on DONE4. (That'll change probably in 2025 or 2026, but not soon enough). If I'm calculating correctly however you still have 2 more segments you can play with on a DONE4 (since you still need to get to ADL which has no direct flights to Asia and will require a connection in OZ adding 1 to your current 13 (***edit, I stand corrected, MH does fly to ADE 5 days a week, so potentially gives you one more segment if you're interested in a KUL stopover), so could consider for example DOH-TYO or HKG on QR, there to BKK or SIN on JL or CX, then QF to SYD-ADL. Or even DOH- anywhere in Asia on QR (but must be where CX or JL fly), stopover, then there to HKG or TYO, then QF/CX/JL to SYD and QF to ADL.I guess you could make that work with MH and KUL as well, I forgot MH does fly to OZ as well. I guess for that matter, so does UL, so you could do DOH-TYO on QR, stopover TYO-CMB on UL, stopover CMB-SYD on UL and SYD-ADL on QF

Ultimately what are you trying to accomplish with this trip? It sounds like going places you really want to go is priority vs. maximizing mileage / TPs, etc. If that's the case, you have a fine itinerary since the south Pacific is harder to incorporate currently in a DONEx until FJ joins OW. It certainly can be done as I've noted in my above alternatives, but you end up with a bunch of short segments that aren't optimized for mileage earnings vs. doing frivolous Europe-DOH-Europe segments on QR, SE Asia-TYO-SE Asia segments on JL, or ORD / DFW to ANC to ORD / DFW on AS for example. I think the way to look at it is you have a bunch of segments, even the short-ish ones that are actually quite expensive to buy in business a la carte, so it's still good value either way.

I don't know what the difference in your YQ will be if you do the above DONE4 suggestions vs. your DGLOB34. Using a QF segment ex-OSL for SYD-DFW typically adds A LOT, but you can ticket it on the AA code for much less YQ. The intra-Asia segments I've mentioned won't make a huge difference. Though note you can't ticket SYD-DFW on an AA code in the OW tool. You have to do that with a RTW desk or travel agent. If however your trip is later in the year, then AA will have their own BNE-DFW flight you can ticket on instead, which will work in the OW tool.
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Old Apr 5, 2024, 2:56 pm
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Originally Posted by dvs7310
You're pretty much maxed out for a DGLOB34, and you can't use FJ on a DONE4 / 5, so you have to decide if that's your priority. I'm honestly not sure if that ground segment ASP-BNE counts toward your 34,000 miles or not, we don't see a lot of chatter about the DGLOB* tickets on here. Are you driving that segment?

I will be flying to MEL and drive up from there to Brisbane as part of the trip we are making.

Your only other option that I see is to convert it to a DONE4, where you can have a lot more miles, but you can't have any FJ segments. That means buying your own way APW-NAN and also finding a different route from NAN-USA, but you could do NAN-SYD-DFW on QF (requires overnight in SYD). You haven't touched Asia at all, though on a DONEx you're still charged for it going from Europe to the Oceana zone, so there's potential to add segments there.

​​​​​​Thanks - this is valuable input. Will have a look if there is anything possible here.

Ultimately what are you trying to accomplish with this trip? It sounds like going places you really want to go is priority vs. maximizing mileage / TPs, etc. If that's the case, you have a fine itinerary since the south Pacific is harder to incorporate currently in a DONEx
Aim is to go places we really want to visit, Australia, SWP (NZL, Hawaii we have already been). I have OW emerald thru Iberia gold, so does my wife. Though Fiji segments can't be credited there, so that is the next hurdle.

Will have a look on your done4 comments and see if there is something to combine!
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Old Apr 6, 2024, 1:04 am
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Originally Posted by dvs7310
You're pretty much maxed out for a DGLOB34, and you can't use FJ on a DONE4 / 5, so you have to decide if that's your priority. I'm honestly not sure if that ground segment ASP-BNE counts toward your 34,000 miles or not, we don't see a lot of chatter about the DGLOB* tickets on here. Are you driving that segment?
We are taking a flight from ASP to MEL, and will be driving up MEL-BNE. Mileage limitation left me with this option.

Originally Posted by dvs7310
Your only other option that I see is to convert it to a DONE4, where you can have a lot more miles, but you can't have any FJ segments. That means buying your own way APW-NAN and also finding a different route from NAN-USA, but you could do NAN-SYD-DFW on QF (requires overnight in SYD).
This is an interesting approach, which I didn't think off. Let me see if adding some stops in Asia, would allow me to start the trip in Australia in Darwin as well

Originally Posted by dvs7310
Ultimately what are you trying to accomplish with this trip? It sounds like going places you really want to go is priority vs. maximizing mileage / TPs, etc. If that's the case, you have a fine itinerary since the south Pacific is harder to incorporate currently in a DONEx until FJ joins OW.
Valid question. On the one end going places we really want to go (Australia, SWP (Samoa, Fiji), but as I'm more than average interested in mileage / points I definitely want to make sure to renew my OW Emerald as well. Both my wife and myself hold status with Iberia (gold), and one of the downsides of the FJ flights is that they don't credit with them.

As I mentioned the DOH/DXB connection is up for debate; happy to split into two trips elsewhere if I can achieve that. We are planning to do this trip april next year, so there is time and BNE-DFW could be an option in that case.
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Old Apr 6, 2024, 2:55 am
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Originally Posted by peterd87
I'm trying to compile a route leaving Europe, visiting Australia, SWP (Fiji, Apia) ...
Originally Posted by peterd87
Aim is to go places we really want to visit, Australia, SWP ...
Welcome, peterd87, to FlyerTalk and the oneworld forum in particular. Planning and taking RTW trips can be great fun and you'll always get good advice here.

Just as a point of interest: All of my oneworld RTWs have been xONEx so I don't know if continents are even a thing on the mileage-based GLOB ticket you're considering but as far as xONEx itineraries are concerned Australia is included in SWP.

Good luck!

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Thanks so much for the feedback so far. Seems there is opportunity to turn it into a DONEx. Need to find some time later today to work on the puzzle. Continents are part of the DGLOB, but it does not seem to count Asia as part of the route to Australia, contrary to the DONEx

Realised so far this RTW solution has plenty of opportunity, but somehow it makes you greedy as well as you would like to squeeze in more and more
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Old Apr 6, 2024, 8:35 pm
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Originally Posted by peterd87
We are taking a flight from ASP to MEL, and will be driving up MEL-BNE. Mileage limitation left me with this option.


This is an interesting approach, which I didn't think off. Let me see if adding some stops in Asia, would allow me to start the trip in Australia in Darwin as well


Valid question. On the one end going places we really want to go (Australia, SWP (Samoa, Fiji), but as I'm more than average interested in mileage / points I definitely want to make sure to renew my OW Emerald as well. Both my wife and myself hold status with Iberia (gold), and one of the downsides of the FJ flights is that they don't credit with them.

As I mentioned the DOH/DXB connection is up for debate; happy to split into two trips elsewhere if I can achieve that. We are planning to do this trip april next year, so there is time and BNE-DFW could be an option in that case.
DRW does have QF flights to DPS and soon to be SIN, also to ASP so that's an option. JL doesn't fly to DPS so if you choose there then it would remove Japan from your possible Asian stops (unless you remove segments somewhere else)

Since you've mentioned you're crediting to IB, then miles per segment definitely matters, so where practical I'd be looking at the longer segments within a region, without compromising the places you really want to visit. That 3,001-6000 mile range is really the sweet spot for you, which you do have several of. The only intra-Asia flights though I can think of that go over 3,000 would be NRT-CGK and NRT-CMB, you can get to SYD from both, but not ADL or DRW. I've always been a bit surprised that JL doesn't do TYO-DPS on their own metal, they oddly codeshare with GA once a week on the route, and NH has the codeshare every other day. It's a leisure route but Japanese will still buy premium cabins on leisure routes as you see on Hawaii and BKK. Indonesia is nice in a lot of places and domestic flights are quite cheap, so something to consider. Sri Lanka is interesting too and is more stable again now. Just sub in SYD as your arrival point in OZ and plan to use other tickets (like Avios) for the city that was subbed out. Of course if 115 or 225 tier points is enough vs. 500 then it opens up a lot more possibilities in Asia.

I assume you've already thought of this, but you can transfer your IB Avios to BA to redeem for your necessary intra-Australia flights (since I'm pretty sure IB still requires a round trip award) as well as your FJ flight APW-NAN. You could also transfer to QR but I don't think their award chart for intra-Australia is any different and they tend to charge a lot higher fees.

Since you're planning quite a lot of travel in Australia, just keep in mind the rules for segments. You can only have 4 flight segments within the continent (including SWP), so just as an example, DRW-ASP, ASP-ADE, BNE-APW, NAN-BNE, (could be ADE-ASP, ASP-MEL, BNE-APW, NAN-BNE) Naturally you'll want to use them on the most expensive sectors which with the cities you want, I believe those would be (if buying business, and maybe even economy). The other domestic segments should be pretty easy to book on Avios though, I've always seen tons of availability between the bigger cities. (*Note that segment limit is only for DONE4, not DGLOB34, and I'm not entirely certain but I don't think the surface segment counts towards your 34,000 miles in DGLOB34, so you should still be able to add ASP-MEL if sticking with your original plan)

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All of your comments made me think on how to optimize routing and turn this into a DONE4.

Putting our travel plans together for the next year and a half it turned out we could use part of the ticket for this October / November, next chunk April / May next year and then finalize the last portion in October 2025. Will be adding some additional flights as cash / points.

Current routing:
OSL - DOH (3082mi, QR - October '24)
DOH - MIA (7679mi, QR - October '24)
MIA - AUA (1134mi, AA - November '24)
AUA - JFK (surface segment) - we will take a flight AUA - AMS and start the trip from JFK again (mainly because this is a cheap points destination from AMS, could change to any other)
JFK - LAX (2475mi, AA - April '25)
LAX - SYD (7488mi, AA - April '25). The direct DFW - BNE flight that was referred to earlier will likely not operate anymore mid April 2025
SYD - ASP (1256mi, QF - April '25)
ASP - MEL (1154mi, QF - April '25)
MEL - BNE (surface segment - May '25)
BNE - APW (2433mi, QF - May '25)
APW - NAN (surface segment - May '25)
NAN - SYD (1970mi, QF - May '25)
SYD - DOH (7687mi, QR - May '25)
DOH - AMS (3062mi, QR - May '25)
AMS - DOH (3062mi, QR - October '25)
DOH - OSL (3082mi, QR - October '25).

This would lead to 49124 miles, of which 45564 will actually be flown. On Iberia this would credit as 4820 tier points, though timing with the split year is not ideal. For my daughter who has no status (3 year old I will check and see what makes most sense given that Iberia is now allowed). AA RTW desk should be able to ticket given the TATL segment with AA.

Any view on the above, does this indeed seem to be correct and should it be feasible to ticket as such? I realise we are still skipping Asia (though that is less of interest for this trip - when I get the hang of this likely it will be part of the next).

Many thanks!

Peter
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Old Apr 9, 2024, 3:11 am
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Originally Posted by peterd87
All of your comments made me think on how to optimize routing and turn this into a DONE4.

Putting our travel plans together for the next year and a half it turned out we could use part of the ticket for this October / November, next chunk April / May next year and then finalize the last portion in October 2025. Will be adding some additional flights as cash / points.

Current routing:
OSL - DOH (3082mi, QR - October '24)
DOH - MIA (7679mi, QR - October '24)
MIA - AUA (1134mi, AA - November '24)
AUA - JFK (surface segment) - we will take a flight AUA - AMS and start the trip from JFK again (mainly because this is a cheap points destination from AMS, could change to any other)
JFK - LAX (2475mi, AA - April '25)
LAX - SYD (7488mi, AA - April '25). The direct DFW - BNE flight that was referred to earlier will likely not operate anymore mid April 2025
SYD - ASP (1256mi, QF - April '25)
ASP - MEL (1154mi, QF - April '25)
MEL - BNE (surface segment - May '25)
BNE - APW (2433mi, QF - May '25)
APW - NAN (surface segment - May '25)
NAN - SYD (1970mi, QF - May '25)
SYD - DOH (7687mi, QR - May '25)
DOH - AMS (3062mi, QR - May '25)
AMS - DOH (3062mi, QR - October '25)
DOH - OSL (3082mi, QR - October '25).

This would lead to 49124 miles, of which 45564 will actually be flown. On Iberia this would credit as 4820 tier points, though timing with the split year is not ideal. For my daughter who has no status (3 year old I will check and see what makes most sense given that Iberia is now allowed). AA RTW desk should be able to ticket given the TATL segment with AA.

Any view on the above, does this indeed seem to be correct and should it be feasible to ticket as such? I realise we are still skipping Asia (though that is less of interest for this trip - when I get the hang of this likely it will be part of the next).

Many thanks!

Peter
Hi,
How do you get OSL - DOH under QR? I thought it was not possible to get QR on first segment?
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Old Apr 9, 2024, 3:12 am
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You can't get it in the online tool - but according to what I read here on the forum AA RTW desk should be able to book it.
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Old Apr 9, 2024, 5:14 am
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Originally Posted by peterd87
All of your comments made me think on how to optimize routing and turn this into a DONE4.

Putting our travel plans together for the next year and a half it turned out we could use part of the ticket for this October / November, next chunk April / May next year and then finalize the last portion in October 2025. Will be adding some additional flights as cash / points.


This would lead to 49124 miles, of which 45564 will actually be flown. On Iberia this would credit as 4820 tier points, though timing with the split year is not ideal. For my daughter who has no status (3 year old I will check and see what makes most sense given that Iberia is now allowed). AA RTW desk should be able to ticket given the TATL segment with AA.

Any view on the above, does this indeed seem to be correct and should it be feasible to ticket as such? I realise we are still skipping Asia (though that is less of interest for this trip - when I get the hang of this likely it will be part of the next).

Many thanks!

Peter
Looks like a great itinerary overall. Split years are definitely not ideal but unavoidable in many of these tickets, so you'll need to plan any extra needed elite points around that. I actually grabbed one of the ex-CAI ones when it was on sale recently that's entirely in 2024 but that's also very rare for me. I tend to split them over elite years, but have parts in each year so it evens out.

TBH on a DONE4 it's not optimal to skip Asia, it is a waste because you do pay for it already. But if you are using all 16 segments elsewhere that's a different story. I always have some anyway because I live in TYO, but understand that's different for everyone.
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Old Apr 9, 2024, 7:06 am
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Originally Posted by dvs7310
Looks like a great itinerary overall. Split years are definitely not ideal but unavoidable in many of these tickets, so you'll need to plan any extra needed elite points around that. I actually grabbed one of the ex-CAI ones when it was on sale recently that's entirely in 2024 but that's also very rare for me. I tend to split them over elite years, but have parts in each year so it evens out.

TBH on a DONE4 it's not optimal to skip Asia, it is a waste because you do pay for it already. But if you are using all 16 segments elsewhere that's a different story. I always have some anyway because I live in TYO, but understand that's different for everyone.
1) CAI was never on sale as you say - the price was merely lower than normal because of a currency devaluation. If you were Egyptian paying Egyptian currency, the price was exactly the same as it always was.

2) saying that skipping Asia is missing out because you already paid for it assumes everybody is using these tickets solely to get the most of them. Many people use them because they are cheaper way of going to destinations. They already have to go to in business class. It bothers me that in this thread a lot of people put others down for not trying to squeeze every ounce of value out of the tickets. People have different priorities.
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Obviously I'm trying to get the most out of them, and especially the earlier comments made me rethink my choices. Though as you mentioned, priorities are different for all of us. Asia will not be my priority for this trip. Given the distances that we will cover, traveling with 2 young children (4 year old, 1 year old) we are indeed better off with a RTW ticket in BC vs buying these separately.

Considering FF programs to credit; Iberia doesn't seem to be best in terms of actual avios accrual based on the various programs, mostly at 125%. Alaska Airlines might be an option for my daughter. It would allow her to get MVP at the end of 2024 and MVP gold prior to the last 2 flights in 2025. Need to think if I'm going to switch Iberia to Alaska as well in that case.
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Old Apr 9, 2024, 8:56 pm
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Originally Posted by peterd87
Obviously I'm trying to get the most out of them, and especially the earlier comments made me rethink my choices. Though as you mentioned, priorities are different for all of us. Asia will not be my priority for this trip. Given the distances that we will cover, traveling with 2 young children (4 year old, 1 year old) we are indeed better off with a RTW ticket in BC vs buying these separately.

Considering FF programs to credit; Iberia doesn't seem to be best in terms of actual avios accrual based on the various programs, mostly at 125%. Alaska Airlines might be an option for my daughter. It would allow her to get MVP at the end of 2024 and MVP gold prior to the last 2 flights in 2025. Need to think if I'm going to switch Iberia to Alaska as well in that case.
If you're going for big RDM earnings, then AA or AS is likely to yield the best results. AS is easier than AA starting from scratch. But if you have big credit card spend you could earn status on AA with that and give yourself a head start. Without the elite bonuses then AS would generally yield more RDMs on these tickets, but AA elite bonuses count towards all OW flights vs just their own. The big caveat there is you have to avoid long haul AA flights and use codeshares where possible, and AA won't ticket those. AS is a simpler program per se, but their award chart can be less generous. It's distance based now, so there are some sweet spots that beat AA. AA also has a different qualification year, AS is the typical January-December, AA is March-February, where BA and IB are April-March. If you're doing one of these per year that'll balance out in the end, but if it's a one-off then it might weigh more into consideration.

I know very little about AY's program, but someone noted in another thread that they would net enough tier points for OW Emerald on a DONEx ticket, so could be worth a look. They recently switched to Avios but no one knows yet when the transfer to BA (and therefore IB and QR) will be implemented and apparently their own award chart is pretty bad.
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It looks like you have enough to get ba status at least silver?
if so I'd go with that as you can easily pool miles with a household account.
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