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  1. Introduction
  2. Ticket Basics
  3. Ticket Rules
  4. Ticket Cost
  5. Ticket Purchase
  6. Ticket Changes
  7. Planning Tools
  8. Terminology
  9. Ticket Tricks
  10. FAQ





INTRODUCTION
This wiki describes the basics of the Oneworld Alliance’s popular RTW ticket - the Oneworld Explorer. Oneworld has another RTW ticket, the Global Explorer, and Star Alliance and Skyteam also have similar products – these tickets limit the number of flights to 16 and have maximum mileage limitations, whereas the Oneworld Explorer has the same limit of 16 flights but has no mileage limit (which is probably why it is so popular!)

The wiki is not exhaustive but does cover all the major topics that you need to know if you are thinking about going RTW on this ticket
The FAQ section at the end answers some questions that newbies often have

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TICKET BASICS
You must circle the globe, either westbound or eastbound, crossing both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans

You are allowed a maximum of 16 flights and can fly with any of the airlines in the Oneworld Alliance, plus their affiliate airlines

You can purchase the ticket from one of the airlines, or through a travel agent, or by using the Oneworld Explorer on-line booking tool

You can change or cancel your ticket, before or after departure (fees may apply)

From first flight to last flight, you have one year to complete the journey

The total price of a ticket depends on the number of continents, the cabin class, the starting point, and the actual flights you take (for calculating arrival/departure charges and airline surcharges)
Some ballpark prices (as at January 2020) are:
  • £2,500 (USD3,300) for a 3 continent economy class ticket starting in the U.K.
  • €7,000 (USD8,000) for a 4 continent business class ticket starting in a euro zone country
  • ¥1,500,000 (USD14,000) for a 5 continent first class ticket starting in Japan
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TICKET RULES
This section identifies the main rules of the ticket, which are those to do with how you can move from continent to continent and also within a continent
At the end of the section is a link to the full rule sheet on the Oneworld web site

The ticket rules divide up the world into three “Tariff Conferences” (TC) each having two continents; as follows:
TC1 = North and South America
TC2 = Europe/Middle East and Africa
TC3 = Asia and South West Pacific (SWP)

Notes:
Europe/Middle East includes the countries of North Africa (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan)
Russia is split between Europe/Middle East and Asia (the split is at the Ural Mountains),

Main Routing Rules:
  • You must visit all three Tariff Conferences – you will of course be starting in one of them, so you must visit the other two in order (travelling either eastbound or westbound), and complete your RTW journey by returning to your starting TC; generally you must return to your starting country (there are exceptions - see More Rule Details below for more information)
  • Within a TC, you can visit either or both continents
  • Within a continent you can travel about in any direction you like
  • You are limited to four flight segments per continent (6 for North America) – subject to an overall maximum of 16 segments in the whole itinerary
  • You cannot travel via your point of origin
  • You cannot return to your country of origin until the end
    (exception: if you start in the U.S.A. then you are allowed to make one transit there, but without stopover)
  • You cannot fly directly more than once between two cities in the same direction
  • There are restrictions on trans-continental flights in Australia and in North America (including to/from Alaska and Hawaii) – see More Rule Details below
  • You are allowed to visit each northern hemisphere continent twice, but each southern hemisphere continent only once – see More Rule Details below

Segments
There are two types of segment – flight and surface

A flight segment is a direct flight between two airports (it may be a non-stop flight, or it may stop somewhere on the way – for example BA’s London to Sydney flight stops in Singapore)

A surface segment is when you land at one airport and later depart from another airport. The airports may be close to each other (for example the 11 miles between New York's La Guardia and JFK airports) or distant (for example Chicago and LA - for someone who’s going to drive the “more than 2,000 miles all the way” of Route 66)
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  • You are allowed a maximum of 16 segments
  • Within each continent, you are allowed up to 4 flight segments (6 for North America)
  • You must fly across the Atlantic and Pacific oceans - surface segments are not allowed
    (exception: for itineraries starting in SWP one crossing can be a surface segment)
  • You are allowed a surface segment between your point of origin and your final destination, which does not count toward the 16 maximum allowed – see More Rule Details below

Stopovers
You have a stopover when there is more than 24 hours between the scheduled arrival time of one flight and the scheduled departure time of the next flight (if you spend 24 hours or less between flights, that is called a Transit)
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  • You must have at least two stopovers in your itinerary
  • You are allowed only two stopovers in your continent of origin (each can be a surface segment; you can still have the maximum allowed number of flight segments in the continent )

There is no restriction on multiple stopovers at one place (other than the point of origin). It is possible to stopover in the same place up to four times (five in North America)

Ticket Validity
From first flight to last flight, you have one year to complete the journey
Also, airline general conditions of carriage allow you book up to one year in advance
So, in theory, you can book an itinerary that will start in one year’s time and end in two years’ time
BUT airline booking systems can only hold booking that are up to about one year in advance. However there is way around this problem – see the Ticket Tricks section below

More Rule Details
This section provides more detail on:
  • Restrictions on trans-continental flights in Australia
  • Restrictions on trans-continental flights in North America, including Alaska and Hawaii
  • Surface segment between point of origin and final destination
  • Second visits to northern hemisphere continents

Restrictions on trans-continental flights in Australia
The relevant rule for Australia is:
4(l) Within Australia ‐ only one nonstop/single plane service flight is permitted between the following points:
BNE/CBR/CNS/SYD/MEL ‐ PER
CBR/MEL/SYD ‐ DRW
BNE/MEL/SYD ‐ BME
BNE/MEL/SYD ‐ KTA
EXCEPTION
  1. No restriction between SYD/MEL ‐ PER for passengers originating in PER when in conjunction with travel to/from JNB/SHA
    • No restriction between SYD/MEL ‐ PER for passengers originating in New Zealand when in conjunction with travel to/from JNB
The online booking tool interprets this rule to mean you are allowed only one of the flights depicted on this map

However, there have been recent (2019) reports here on FT that some airline telephone agents are allowing one flight to or from each of the west coast cities (subject to the overall limit of four flight segments for the continent)

Restrictions on trans-continental flights in North America, including Alaska and Hawaii
The relevant rules for North America are:
4(k) Within the USA/Canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted. A transcontinental flight is defined as travel between a city in column A and a city in column B.
and:
4(b) Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 ‐ TC2 ‐ TC3.
Backtracking within a continent is permitted except as follows:
Backtracking between Hawaii and other points in North America is not permitted.
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Surface segment between point of origin and final destination
The relevant rule is:
4(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin‐destination surface segments are permitted as follows:
a. within the country of origin
b. within the Middle East
c. between the United States and Canada
d. between HKG and China
e. between Malaysia and SIN
f. within Africa
g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
Really, it is a bit confusing to call this a surface segment; the more usual phrase is "open jaw at origin"

Second visits to northern hemisphere continents
The relevant rule is:
4(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows:
  1. Two permitted in North America.
    • Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East.
      • Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
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Because of the requirement in Rule 4(b) (Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 ‐ TC2 ‐ TC3), the only way to have a second visit (i.e. a second intercontinental departure and a second intercontinental arrival) to a continent is to travel down to its southern hemisphere neighbour and then return

You can stopover in the northern continent both before and after you travel south

For North America there are no additional rules

For Asia, to have a second visit you are also required to travel between Asia and Europe/Middle East and what that means is that you cannot travel between Asia and Africa

For Europe/Middle East, the continent is divided into two zones – Europe Zone and Middle East Zone, as shown (Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are in the Europe Zone; Libya, Egypt and Sudan are in the Middle East Zone)

The rule is that if both your intercontinental flights are between Africa and the Europe Zone, then South Africa and Mauritius cannot be included in the itinerary
Fortunately, Qatar Airways serves many destinations in Africa from its hub in Qatar, Middle East

Further information on rules
This section has not covered every single rule in the rule sheet for the Oneworld Explorer ticket
See the full rule sheet on the Oneworld web site for more information
Go to Oneworld Around the World
Scroll down to the Frequently Asked Questions
Click on "How is my fare calculated? "
Click on the oneworld Explorer link

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TICKET COST
The ticket cost is made up of two components:
- the base fare, and
- the add-ons

Base Fares
As an example, here are the base fares for Canada (provided by an FTer)

Base fares vary by cabin class, number of continents and starting country

The highest class of all the flights determines the class charged for whole journey. So if only one flight in your itinerary has first class and you want to fly that flight in first class then you must purchase a first-class ticket (and be downgraded on all the other flights on the ticket). You cannot purchase mixed cabin tickets. There are no Premium Economy fares. If you are purchasing an economy ticket, you can pay extra to fly individual flight segments in premium economy.

Each continent you visit is counted, including your continent of origin
A continent is counted even if all you do is change planes there; even if your plane merely lands there (flying London-Sydney your plane will stop at Singapore, so you pay for Asia)
And, in the case of Asia, you pay even if you fly non-stop between Europe/Middle East and South West Pacific (say on the London-Perth non-stop Qantas flight)

Oneworld does not publish the base fares
However, if you search the Oneworld forum here on FT you will find some fares posted, especially for lower cost starting points
Ask the friendly FT community if you cannot find the fares for a country you are interested in (some have access to systems that show the fares)

Add-Ons
The add-ons are the various taxes, fees and charges added on by governments and airlines
How much you will pay for your particular itinerary will depend on which airports you fly into and out of, and which airlines you use
For planning purposes, estimate 10-15% of the base fare for add-ons.

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TICKET PURCHASE
The ways to purchase a ticket are:
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  • Purchase directly from a Oneworld Airline
    It is best to have done your homework and be able to spoon-feed your itinerary to the agent (for each flight: date, origin, destination, flight number).

    The agent will check there are seats available in your booking class and that your itinerary complies with all the rules of the ticket. The end result of this step will be that you have a booking in the airline’s system; you should receive an email confirmation of this – check this carefully: that your name is correct, and all the flights are as you wanted

    The booking will be sent to the airline’s fares team which will double-check its validity and price it up

    Once you have paid, a ticket will be issued and emailed to you - again, check this carefully
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  • Purchase from a Travel Agent
    This process is very similar to purchasing direct from an airline. The agent will send the booking to the airline for pricing, and once you have paid the airline will issue your ticket
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  • Use the on-line booking tool
    The online tool has been around for about 10 years, but it has always been ‘flaky’ and as the fare rules have changed over time, it has not kept pace
    But when it works, it works, particularly for simple itineraries

    Generally, the ticket will be issued by whichever airline flies your first segment.
    The first carrier cannot be Qatar Airways.
    Depending on airline, you either pay in the tool or you will be given a reference number to pay by phone.

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TICKET CHANGES
You can make changes to your ticket at any time - either before you start your journey or once you have started
If you are adding or changing flights, then there needs to be seats available in your booking class on the new flights
The airline or agent making the changes for you may charge a service fee
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  • Ticketed point changes are changes to the list of airports in the itinerary – dropping or adding points (including adding or removing connections) or reordering the list. Depending on the airline and potentially the specific agent, changing stopovers to transits or vice versa may also be considered a re-route.

    The change fee is USD125 (one fee for all changes made at the same time)

    Generally, the add-on charges will be recalculated which may result in additional fees to pay or a refund of fees already paid
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  • Provided ticketed points are unchanged, there is no change fee for changes you make; however there may still be a service fee.

    Examples of such changes are – changing the date of a flight, or changing from one airline to another that also flies between the two points (say from BA to AA between London Heathrow and New York JFK)
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  • If you are making the changes before departure, then changes to ticketed points or to the first segment (even just a simple date change), will result in a re-price if the fare has increased
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  • You can increase the number of continents in your itinerary and/or upgrade the class of travel – there is no change fee but you must of course pay the recalculated fare. There is no refund for downgrading (and you must pay the change fee).
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  • There is a fee to cancel the ticket, which you can do at any time
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PLANNING TOOLS
The following tools have proved useful, to varying degrees for planning Oneworld Explorer journeys
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  • Oneworld’s See Where We Fly tool allows you to see all Oneworld destinations and what flights there are to/from each, and between any two airports - it works well
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  • Oneworld’s Plan and Book Your Itinerary on-line booking tool should be the primary, and maybe only, tool needed

    It is intended to allow entry of complete itineraries and take a user right through to booking and paying.

    Unfortunately, it is very buggy and poorly maintained - so buggy there’s an FT Thread on it (xONEx Tool Bugs Thread)
    The biggest problems are that it has not been kept up to date with rule changes, and frustratingly the tool can just hang (forever), especially when you ask it to price your itinerary

    When it works, it works OK - you can enter your itinerary, it will display a picklist of flights for each segment and when you’ve chosen them all, you can request the price (it will itemise all the add-ons) and then you can pay
    Just be cautious with regard to the rules; it will sometimes flag an error where there is no error; if in doubt ask for advice here on FT
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  • The Great Circle Mapper tool is great for visualising your itinerary; and you can copy and print your final itinerary (so you can pin it up at work and make your colleagues jealous)
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  • Subscription services. If you are getting serious about planning your RTW journey you might consider two on-line tools - KVS and ExpertFlyer, which have lots of features including fare look-up, timetables, seat availability.
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  • The Matrix and Google Flights can be used to check flight schedules and to see the +++ add-on charges for individual flights.

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TERMINOLOGY

Oneworld Explorer Specific
  • OWE – acronym for One World Explorer
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  • xONEx, LONE4, AONE6, DONE3, DONEx, xONE5 and their variants
    All tickets have what is called a Fare Basis, which identifies the fare in airline computer systems. The fare basis code is a string of letters and numbers
    OWE fare basis codes are all five characters long - the letters ONE in the middle, a single digit at the end (specifying the number of continents), and a single letter at the beginning (called the Booking Class) specifying the cabin class – A for First, D for Business and L for Economy)

    So when someone posts about a DONE4, that is shorthand for a 4-continent Oneworld Explorer in Business Class; LONEx is referring to Economy Class Oneworld Explorers in general; xONEx refers to all Oneworld Explorers
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  • SWP is shorthand for the South West Pacific continent

General
These general terms are often used in discussing xONEx tickets
  • Booking Class - tbc
  • +++ and ai are used to indicate if a fare is the base fare ($500+++) or the all-in fare($650ai) (+++ meaning that the add-ons need to be added on)
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TICKET TRICKS
Booking in Advance
The rules allow you to book a ticket one year in advance, for an itinerary where the last flight is one year after the first flight (so two years after booking)
But airline booking systems cannot book flights that far in advance

The trick to booking such itineraries is to make use of the fact that date changes are free
So use dummy dates for the later flights in your itinerary; you can change them later to the actual dates you want

Ways to Reduce Costs
Start Somewhere Less Expensive
Fares vary by cabin class, number of continents and starting country. So check out the fares from nearby countries. Of course, here on FT there are posts identifying the known less expensive starting countries. As at Jan-2020 these are:
Europe: Norway
Asia: Japan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka
North America: Canada
Africa: South Africa, Namibia and Mozambique
If you live in another country, then you would need to factor in the positioning costs to get to a low fare country to start the RTW and to get home from the final destination. As a concrete example - the fare differences between Canada and the U.S. vary from USD750 for a LONE3 through to USD4,000 for an AONE6

Where there are multiple carriers flying the same route – look at the surcharges for each, they can vary a bit

The total government charge to land in a country can be quite different to the total charge to leave that country. The notorious example is the U.K. – no charges at all to land there, but significant charges to leave from there, especially if flying long-haul in a premium cabin – so if you are intending to fly in and out of Europe then fly into the U.K and out from somewhere else.

Avoid Short Flight Segments
16 flights may seem like a lot, but when you start planning your trip you will likely find that 16 is not enough!
If this happens then look at your short-haul flights; places such as Europe are easy to get around by train – save your flight segments for those long-haul flights.
Low cost carriers are another option; they are good for S.E. Asia.
Also look at your first and last flights. If they are short flights, probably getting you to a major hub for its long-haul flights, then consider making your own way to and from the hub that way you will free up two segments to use elsewhere

Avoid Short Surface Segments
Sometimes when you are planning an itinerary, you end up with pesky little surface segments, such as LGA-JFK, LHR-LGW, which waste a whole segment of your allowed 16 segments.
The trick is to find somewhere in between such that the surface segment is eliminated.
For example, you want to fly from Atlanta to New York and then fly transatlantic from New York. The problem is that all the AA flights into New York are in to LGA, and none of the Oneworld transatlantic flights leave from LGA. The solution is to fly from Atlanta to somewhere that has flights into JFK – for example Chicago, Dallas or Miami. This will eliminate the surface segment and give you an extra stopover!

Break the RTW into Two (or more) Portions
You might not have the time to do a complete RTW in one go. If so, it is possible to break it into two or more separate trips. You can purchase a return ticket home from some intermediate point, or you can start somewhere other than home and have a stopover at home partway through the RTW

Use all 16 Segments
It is possible to have un-used segments at the end of your trip.
Consider someone starting a 3-continent trip from the US – 3 intercontinental flights plus 4 flights in Europe and another 4 in Asia all totals 11 flights, leaving 5 unused!
OK you might use a couple getting to and from a gateway city to leave/come back to Nth America – still leaves 3 unused.

So, you could use those spare segments as surface segments somewhere, or you could have a holiday in the US; here’s the trick:
  • Remember that you can have two stopovers in your continent of origin and can fly the allowed number of flight segments (6 for Nth America – but limited to 16 segments on the entire itinerary)
  • Remember also that you cannot travel via your point of origin
  • Let’s say your hometown is NYC – don’t start from there! Start from say Boston or Philadelphia; that way after going around the world, you can stopover in NYC which will be the first of your two allowed stopovers in Nth America.
  • Then later, but still within the one year allowed by the ticket, use the left-over segments to have the second stopover somewhere else in the US (Miami say) and to fly back to NYC at the end.
  • This way, apart from the +++ for the final flights, you get a free round trip! (Note: there is no restriction on stopping over at your final destination – in the example that means you can stopover in NYC, even though it is also your final destination)
  • If you have 3 segments to play with, then the west coast is reachable (remember you are allowed only one transcontinental flight, so you need three flights - say JFK-oLAX-xDFW-JFK (‘o’ means stopover, “x” means transit))
The whole thing can be done in reverse – ‘free’ US trip first (starting say BOS-oLAX-xCHI-JFK) and then go around the world, ending in New York

So, that can work well for someone originating in a large country such as the U.S. But what about starting in a small country such as the U.K.? The trick here is to start in a nearby country – say France, which will then be the country of origin and so after the RTW (ending with a stopover in London) the extra segments can be used for flights and a second stopover in Europe/Middle East, ending in France.
Our New Yorker can play this trick too – by starting in Canada the extra flights can be to a North American destination outside the U.S. (Bermuda say). An added benefit is that the itinerary can still end in New York

For northern hemisphere starting points, there is one more trick possible to make effective use of leftover segments – a return trip to the neighbouring southern hemisphere continent. This will add a continent to the itinerary, which is not free – but might be cost-effective compared to purchasing a completely separate ticket to go down there. So our New Yorker can start in Canada, travel around the world ending up back in New York for a stopover, and later have a trip down to Rio – returning to New York after it.

Five (or even six) holidays!
This is going over the top, but it is possible! At least for those located in the northern hemisphere (those of us located south of the equator miss out on this ☹)
  • Take a positioning flight to another continent and start from there (you will get to visit this continent twice, which may drive your choice of starting continent)
  • When you return to your home continent take separate trips:
    • 2 return trips in your home continent using the 4 flights allowed per continent (3 return trips using 6 flights allowed in North America)
    • a return trip to your southern hemisphere neighbour
    • complete your RTW trip by returning to your starting point
Here’s an example of such a trip - for a Londoner:
Position to Sri Lanka (one of the low-cost starting countries); start an xONE5 from CMB
  1. CMB-NRT-JFK-MBJ-MIA-LAX-LHR
  2. LHR-TLV-LHR
  3. LHR-RAK-LHR
  4. LHR-SEZ-LHR
  5. LHR-MEL-AKL-HKG-MLE; then re-position home from The Maldives
Of course – for some people 5 holidays in one year might seem a bit OTT😊


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FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
Ticket rule questions

Ticket cost questions

Ticket purchase questions

Ticket change questions

Terminology questions

Planning tools questions

Ticket tricks questions

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Change Log
Date User Handle Change Description
2021-May-10 pandaperth "one visit to ANC" etc changed to "one visit to State of Alaska" etc – see Changes to the xONEx Rule Sheet
2021-May-10 pandaperth Updated the instructions to go to the full rule sheet on the oneworld web site
2021-Jun-01 pandaperth Rule 4(k) - Inserted new table of west coast and east coast states
2023-Nov-20 anabalism - added text noting that changing stops to connections and vice versa may or may not be considered a route change.
2024-Jan-18 Mwenenzi - formatting




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Old Mar 18, 2024, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by sony2012
called Qantas and they said the ticket was already issued but it seems like email was never sent, though they do claim that I should have received it. Anyway, they sent an email with e-ticket number promptly as if I never received the email. Now I have the e-ticket number. Hope i am all set.
Qantas has never e-mailed me a ticket...but can check the Finnair site and they'll list the ticket number if it's issued.
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Old Mar 18, 2024, 7:01 pm
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Originally Posted by iwillflytheworld
I don't think this is true. A change of date to any segment other than the first one should not trigger a reprice, even before departure.
Correct.

I also think that changes of routing after departure should not trigger a reprice of the whole itinerary, just the $125 fee, unless a continent is being added.
Correct. But a change of routing (or as the fare rule states it "a change to ticketed points") will cause the taxes and charges to be recomputed.

The rules are explained more clearly in this document: https://www.oneworld.com/images/faqs/oneworldFAQPDF.pdf .
The linked document is a copy of the fare rules from 2018. Well out of date! However the rule on ticket changes is unchanged since then.

Whether you can get a QF agent to actually follow these rules is a different matter.
Agree!

I'm new to this so I welcome corrections.
See also the section on Ticket Changes in the wiki to this thread.
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Old Mar 18, 2024, 9:57 pm
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Need some advice, my first segment from CAI - VIE is now assigned under IB Express and IB.
Can I still request it to assign to either RJ or BA? if yes, what are the potential charges that I need to pay?
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Old Mar 18, 2024, 10:32 pm
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Originally Posted by kayzng
Need some advice, my first segment from CAI - VIE is now assigned under IB Express and IB.
Can I still request it to assign to either RJ or BA? if yes, what are the potential charges that I need to pay?
It's a reprice if you haven't started the trip because this is a change in routing (CAI-LHR-VIE instead of CAI-MAD-VIE).
Also, I don't think RJ flies to VIE.

Just curious but didn't you just get this ticketed? Why the sudden change?
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Old Mar 18, 2024, 10:36 pm
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Originally Posted by kayzng
Can I still request it to assign to either RJ or BA? if yes, what are the potential charges that I need to pay?
"Assign" isn't a concept in airline ticketing. You’d be asking to change the ticket which before departure of the first segment requires a full reprice.

That said only changing the routing from CAI-LHR should only involve a change in taxes and YQ. A few hundred dollars at most. But good look dealing with Qantas ticketing on this.

(edited because quote was missing a bracket)

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Old Mar 19, 2024, 7:41 am
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Rule 4(l) states:

Within Australia - only one nonstop/single plane service flight is permitted between the following points:
BME - BNE/MEL/SYD
DRW - CBR/MEL/SYD
KTA - BNE/MEL/SYD
PER - BNE/CBR/CNS/SYD/MEL
Does this mean that only one flight combination from each of the four lines is permitted, or that only one combination from the entire four lines is permitted?
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Old Mar 19, 2024, 8:27 am
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Originally Posted by danger
Rule 4(l) states:



Does this mean that only one flight combination from each of the four lines is permitted, or that only one combination from the entire four lines is permitted?
From the wiki to this thread:

The online booking tool interprets this rule to mean you are allowed only one of the flights depicted on this map
However, there have been recent (2019) reports here on FT that some airline telephone agents are allowing one flight to or from each of the west coast cities (subject to the overall limit of four flight segments for the continent)
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Old Mar 20, 2024, 3:56 am
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I recall seeing someone post about fees to upgrade an individual segment at one point in time. I think they were talking about Y to PY and it was pretty steep. I can't find that anywhere with search or Google now.

Can someone point me in the right direction or help with that info? I've got one segment on a DONE5 that could be attractive to upgrade to F, but currently there's no A availability on that segment (I have an EF alert set for it).
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Old Mar 20, 2024, 4:06 am
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
From the wiki to this thread:

The online booking tool interprets this rule to mean you are allowed only one of the flights depicted on this map

However, there have been recent (2019) reports here on FT that some airline telephone agents are allowing one flight to or from each of the west coast cities (subject to the overall limit of four flight segments for the continent)
If I click on that map it opens YouTube but as far as I can tell, PER-SYD-DRW-SYD is not excluded, even though the tool tells me otherwise.


Originally Posted by dvs7310
I recall seeing someone post about fees to upgrade an individual segment at one point in time. I think they were talking about Y to PY and it was pretty steep. I can't find that anywhere with search or Google now.

Can someone point me in the right direction or help with that info? I've got one segment on a DONE5 that could be attractive to upgrade to F, but currently there's no A availability on that segment (I have an EF alert set for it).
Subject to all the other rules and exemptions (e.g. intra-Middle East on two-class Qatar allows A on a DONEx), if any of your other flights are in A, I'm fairly sure you're up for an AONEx. Economy to premium economy is specifically permitted in the rules for an upcharge, but not business to first.
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Old Mar 20, 2024, 8:18 am
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Originally Posted by dvs7310
I recall seeing someone post about fees to upgrade an individual segment at one point in time. I think they were talking about Y to PY and it was pretty steep. I can't find that anywhere with search or Google now.

Can someone point me in the right direction or help with that info? I've got one segment on a DONE5 that could be attractive to upgrade to F, but currently there's no A availability on that segment (I have an EF alert set for it).
Y to PY, yes. It's in Section 12 here. In Section 16C, it notes that upgrading by sector to business/first class is not possible - you would be prompted to upgrade the entire thing from a DONE to AONE. Depending on the airline in question, you might get an upgrade offer and that could get you in F.
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Old Mar 20, 2024, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by danger
If I click on that map it opens YouTube but as far as I can tell, PER-SYD-DRW-SYD is not excluded, even though the tool tells me otherwise.

Subject to all the other rules and exemptions (e.g. intra-Middle East on two-class Qatar allows A on a DONEx), if any of your other flights are in A, I'm fairly sure you're up for an AONEx. Economy to premium economy is specifically permitted in the rules for an upcharge, but not business to first.
Originally Posted by steveholt
Y to PY, yes. It's in Section 12 here. In Section 16C, it notes that upgrading by sector to business/first class is not possible - you would be prompted to upgrade the entire thing from a DONE to AONE. Depending on the airline in question, you might get an upgrade offer and that could get you in F.
Ah ok fair enough. I thought I remembered something that allowed a single segment upgrade. I'm sure the new JL A351 business class is just fine but would have been awesome to experience the new F cabin.

I looked up JL's mileage upgrade, it's 45,000 miles, which translates into way too many Marriott points than I think it's worth, and not even sure JL can upgrade if it's not their ticket. Sure wish AA would finally implement JL upgrades with SWUs or miles... I have a feeling it's coming with the recent QF announcement but likely not soon enough.
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Old Mar 21, 2024, 5:40 am
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I booked my first xONEx this week. Thanks again all.

DONE3 with AA
The trip starts towards the end of January.
Everything after the dotted line is for travel after March 2025, so not on the fare calendar.
The dummy dates for the remaining 14 segments were booked into available dates/flight numbers over the subsequent 18 days remaining on the fare calendar.

I can't wrap my head around how and when I change the dates to something that is wanted and is available. Trip ends ~August 2025.

Today, the fare calendar is only open to 13 February.

If we want to travel BKK-HKG around 18 February, I'll be able to see that next week. But I can't change the subsequent 13 segments at that time because they're off the calendar.
Say I wait another month to change the date of BKK-HKG. Then the subsequent segments can be rebooked, but mostly with placeholders.

I could wait until September when the whole calendar is open for our travel days.

Is that when we change the dates?

What are the chances there is no availability for TWO seats in D for our city segments in February? (At the time of booking, one of the placeholder flights that I found did not have availability which trickled down after the agent found a new date.)

Or do we wait until after departure and change the dates for everything with only 4-6 week in advance of the next travel dates?

We're (almost) completely flexible but I am planning a lot of side trips that I'd prefer to book early.

Hope I'm making sense.
Advice/best practices?

CAI xAMM RJ
xAMM BKK RJ
.................
BKK HKG CX
HKG DPS CX
DPS KUL MH
KUL NRT JL
NRT HNL JL
HNL ANC AS
ANC LAX AS
LAX SJO AA
SJO DFW AA
DFW SFO AA
SFO MIA AA
MIA DOH QR
DOH AMM QR
AMM CAI RJ

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Old Mar 21, 2024, 8:13 am
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Originally Posted by dvs7310
Ah ok fair enough. I thought I remembered something that allowed a single segment upgrade. I'm sure the new JL A351 business class is just fine but would have been awesome to experience the new F cabin.

I looked up JL's mileage upgrade, it's 45,000 miles, which translates into way too many Marriott points than I think it's worth, and not even sure JL can upgrade if it's not their ticket. Sure wish AA would finally implement JL upgrades with SWUs or miles... I have a feeling it's coming with the recent QF announcement but likely not soon enough.
Red/bold, my emphasis.

Prepandemic, I used SWU to UG from D to First Class (the 77W metal on AA). From recollection only, AA actually UG'd me on 3 contiguous flights (all had F). If I found the exact routing, I'd post an update. BTW, I even had STOP-OVER (more than 24 hours)! I never thought that was possible!
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Old Mar 21, 2024, 2:06 pm
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question for changes

Regarding changes, I received conflict information.

Oneworld website mentions 12 months since your first depart date. Representative mentions 12 months since issue date. Anyone has idea?
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Old Mar 21, 2024, 2:09 pm
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Did QF book for you? Are you sure you change the ticket after March 2025? I heard that QF only allows change in the 12 months of issue date. NotJustDreaming

Will AA still issue xCAI around 4000?
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