Interesting to note that the BA app now has eticket numbers displayed and in my case the correct eticket numbers so now a happy camper
petez
Feb 4, 2023 3:35 am
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 34947744)
Time permitting and access permitting, I can run these codes and paste the results here. Feel free to put the request here and I will take a look from time to time. I would appreciate if people give me the routing using the Sabre WQ (Will Quote) format explained below, but if it is too complicated to follow, just give me the routing and I will do it.
Hi, thanks for the offer to help.
I am looking at OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/KUL/BLR/SYD/PER/DOH/MAN/xLHR/OSL
starting in October but no fixed dates yet.
My attempt at SABRE code is WQOSL/ABA4OCT/CD/OSL/ABA/CDLHR/AAA/CDMIA/AAA/CDLAX/AAA/CDSAT/AAA/CDLAX/AAA/CDHNL/AJL/CDNRT/AJL/CDKUL/AMH/CDBLR/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDPER/AQR/CDDOH/AQR/CDMAN/ABA/CDLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/MNOK
I would welcome any comments on best ticketing carrier and if I should amend any carrier codes. I am also assuming that my second visit to UK is ok ??
Thanks in advance
PO48RA
Feb 5, 2023 1:26 pm
Cheapest starting points
Hi,
Just begining to plan a first foray into ONE fares. Looking at the cheapest starting points, based on EF have I got this right?
Base fare, in USD, for a DONE4
OSL 5819
ISB 5360
TYO 6069
JNB 6882
CAI 4664
So looking like CAI the cheapest place to start?
Looking at this thread AS has been mentioned as an airline to book with but has anyone actually managed to book with them?
Thank you.
LeSouris
Feb 5, 2023 1:34 pm
Originally Posted by PO48RA
(Post 34987688)
have I got this right?
So looking like CAI the cheapest place to start?.
Yes, those are roughly what I saw last time I looked.
Dont forget that you will need to go to Cairo twice, though. Perhaps that appeals, perhaps not?
aaupgrade
Feb 5, 2023 3:03 pm
Originally Posted by SP0
(Post 34987713)
Dont forget that you will need to go to Cairo twice, though.
Not necessarily... but one would need to end in the Middle East. From the OWE rules:
The continent of Europe-Middle East consists of 2 zones:
o Europe (including Algeria, Morocco, Russia west of the Urals and Tunisia)
o Middle East (including Egypt, Libya and Sudan)
<snip>
(c) Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows:
a. within the country of origin
b. within the Middle East
c. between the United States and Canada
d. between HKG and China
e. between Malaysia and SIN
f. within Africa
g. between Maldives and Sri Lanka/India
LeSouris
Feb 5, 2023 3:05 pm
Yes good point, I am so used to beginning in Europe that I forgot the special rule for Middle East etc.
anc305
Feb 11, 2023 11:13 am
Originally Posted by PO48RA
(Post 34987688)
Hi,
Just begining to plan a first foray into ONE fares. Looking at the cheapest starting points, based on EF have I got this right?
Base fare, in USD, for a DONE4
OSL 5819
ISB 5360
TYO 6069
JNB 6882
CAI 4664
So looking like CAI the cheapest place to start?
Looking at this thread AS has been mentioned as an airline to book with but has anyone actually managed to book with them?
Thank you.
Thanks for adding to this thread. Made me look agian at fares, CAI in only $4761 for a DONE 5
skunker
Feb 11, 2023 12:57 pm
Originally Posted by anc305
(Post 35003604)
Thanks for adding to this thread. Made me look agian at fares, CAI in only $4761 for a DONE 5
Are they actually selling it again? I thought most airlines (especially AA) stopping selling exCAI RTWs due to currency fluctuations there.
anabolism
Feb 11, 2023 1:49 pm
Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 35003805)
Are they actually selling it again? I thought most airlines (especially AA) stopping selling exCAI RTWs due to currency fluctuations there.
I thought they were now priced in USD, however, I just checked and they're still in EGP (a DONE5 is EGP 145,000.00). I don't see ex-SEZ for AA at all; BA has it but it's priced in USD (USD 9,315.00 for a DONE5) so maybe that's what I was thinking of.
Calchas
Feb 11, 2023 3:28 pm
The currency of fares filed from a particular city is set by IATA, I don't think(?) the airline can choose to file in a different currency.
In many cases the currency is not the national or local currency, though.
skunker
Feb 11, 2023 3:33 pm
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 35004145)
The currency of fares filed from a particular city is set by IATA, I don't think(?) the airline can choose to file in a different currency.
In many cases the currency is not the national or local currency, though.
We've seen these RTW fares change currency from local to USD after the surge in bookings.I don't know if this is IATA driven or the airlines.
skunker
Feb 11, 2023 3:54 pm
Originally Posted by PO48RA
(Post 34987688)
Hi,
Just begining to plan a first foray into ONE fares. Looking at the cheapest starting points, based on EF have I got this right?
Base fare, in USD, for a DONE4
OSL 5819
ISB 5360
TYO 6069
JNB 6882
CAI 4664
So looking like CAI the cheapest place to start?
Looking at this thread AS has been mentioned as an airline to book with but has anyone actually managed to book with them?
Thank you.
Add the old (but underused) secret of WDH at $5758
And I think you have the wrong price for JNB, I'm seeing $5758 (ZAR102000) there as well.
EDIT: apparently the NAD and ZAR are 1:1
skunker
Feb 11, 2023 4:26 pm
Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 35003805)
Are they actually selling it again? I thought most airlines (especially AA) stopping selling exCAI RTWs due to currency fluctuations there.
Played around with the online tool and exCAI seems to be pricing correctly, once converted from AUD.
Itinerary Name : My Itinerary
Cabin Class :Cabin Class : BUSINESSBUSINESS
Adult Passengers :Adult Passengers : 1
Child Passengers :Child Passengers : 0
Number of Continents :Number of Continents : 3
Number of Segments :Number of Segments : 7
Number of Stopovers :Number of Stopovers : 3
oneoneworld Explorer Fare
Details Taxes and Carrier Surcharges/Fees Service
Charge Total
6,136.00 AUD 1,711.20 AUD * see breakdown at end of
itinerary 0.00 AUD 7,847.20 AUD
anabolism
Feb 11, 2023 7:38 pm
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 35004145)
The currency of fares filed from a particular city is set by IATA, I don't think(?) the airline can choose to file in a different currency.
In many cases the currency is not the national or local currency, though.
Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 35004155)
We've seen these RTW fares change currency from local to USD after the surge in bookings.I don't know if this is IATA driven or the airlines.
Exactly. It seems like it's airline/alliance driven. I'd be interested in knowing which it is, but not sure how to find out.
ernestnywang
Feb 12, 2023 4:22 pm
Originally Posted by petez
(Post 34984079)
Hi, thanks for the offer to help.
I am looking at OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/KUL/BLR/SYD/PER/DOH/MAN/xLHR/OSL
starting in October but no fixed dates yet.
My attempt at SABRE code is WQOSL/ABA4OCT/CD/OSL/ABA/CDLHR/AAA/CDMIA/AAA/CDLAX/AAA/CDSAT/AAA/CDLAX/AAA/CDHNL/AJL/CDNRT/AJL/CDKUL/AMH/CDBLR/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDPER/AQR/CDDOH/AQR/CDMAN/ABA/CDLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/MNOK
I would welcome any comments on best ticketing carrier and if I should amend any carrier codes. I am also assuming that my second visit to UK is ok ??
Thanks in advance
Sorry I have been very busy. I had to take away SYD-PER (and I made it SYD-DOH) and make MAN a transit for autoprice to work. This does not mean your itinerary is not compliant with the rules. It's just that autoprice for some reason would not accept it. I think you also made a routing mistake (OSL twice and no BDA) in your Sabre command, so I fixed it based on your itinerary.
The code I used was therefore: WQOSL/ABA4OCT/CDLHR/ABA/CDBDA/AAA/CDMIA/AAA/CDLAX/AAA/CDSAT/AAA/CD/XLAX/AAA/CDHNL/AJL/CDNRT/AJL/CDKUL/AMH/CDBLR/AQF/CDSYD/AQR/CDDOH/AQR/CD/XMAN/ABA/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/MNOK/SOSL/TOSL
The default validating carrier is BA, with BA, JL, MH, QF (massive), and QR (also quite big) YQ/YR charged.
Code:
WQOSL/ABA4OCT/CDLHR/ABA/CDBDA/AAA/CDMIA/AAA/CDLAX/AAA/CDSAT/AAA/CD/XLAX/AAA/CDHNL/AJL/CDNRT/AJL/CDKUL/AMH/CDBLR/AQF/CDSYD/AQR/CDDOH/AQR/CD/XMAN/ABA/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/MNOK/SOSL/TOSL
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE BASIS BOOK CODE FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS TOTAL
01 DONE4 D/D/D/D/* NOK 58119 33781 91900 ADT
02 DONE5 D/D/D/D/* NOK 66345 33781 100126 ADT
03 DONE6 D/D/D/D/* NOK 74827 34802 109629 ADT
*01-03*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
*01-03*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
*01-03*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
*01-03*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
*01-03*PAYMENT/TKT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
CONFIRMED **
.
WQ¥DF1
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE NOK 58119
TAX NOK 82G2 NOK 117ZN NOK 33582XT
TOTAL NOK 91900
OSL BA LON BA BDA AA MIA AA LAX AA SAT AA X/LAX AA HNL JL TYO JL
KUL MH BLR QF SYD QR DOH QR X/MAN BA X/LON BA OSL Q OSLOSL15.93
5777.54NUC5793.47END ROE10.031771
XT NOK2363GB NOK908UB NOK642BM NOK184BL NOK383E6
XT NOK77EN NOK538US NOK67YC NOK71XY NOK39XA
XT NOK114AY NOK166SW NOK41OI NOK173MY NOK2H8
XT NOK355G1 NOK175IN NOK426AU NOK444WY NOK168QA
XT NOK42PZ NOK168G4 NOK498YR NOK25241YQ NOK145P2
XT NOK78TK NOK28R9 NOK46XFHNL4.5
/////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN OSL ///////////////
PU -FARE BASIS-CUR NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
EUR 15.93 OSL-OSL MISCELLANEOUS SURCHARGE
01 DONE4 NOK 5777.54 OSL-OSL BA /RT RTG RW
5793.47 - TOTAL NUC
-TAX AMT/NOK/-- CUR CODES DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
3431 /YQI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
291:EUR 26.50 *OSL* *BA* 8019981
2506:EUR 228.50 *LHR* *BA* 8015204
269:EUR 24.50 *MAN* *BA* 8019800
291:EUR 26.50 *LHR* *BA* 8019981 ¥
215:USD 21.10 *BDA* *AA* 015 149453 ¥
39 US/XA APHIS PASSENGER FEE PASSENGERS
39:USD 3.83 *BDA* *AA* 001 112500
71 US/XY2 IMMIGRATION USER FEE
71:USD 7.00 *BDA* *AA* 002 130000
67 US/YC CUSTOMS USER FEE
67:USD 6.52 *BDA* *AA* 001 125000
46 US/XF PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE
46:USD 4.50 *HNL*
-IATA RATES OF EXCHANGE USED IN FARE CALCULATION --------------
10.0317710 NOK-ROE EFF 01FEB23*INDEF
-BSR USED IN TAX CALCULATION ----------------------------------
1EUR:10.96717467NOK 1USD:10.205848NOK
1AUD:7.10236743NOK 1GBP:12.37171956NOK
1INR:0.12362682NOK 1JPY:0.07778864NOK
1MYR:2.36904466NOK 1QAR:2.80264946NOK
-PRICING UNIT TRIP TYPE ---------------------------------------
PU 01 - SPECIAL RW SINGLE FARE COMPONENT
Using validating carrier AA would give almost the same amount. The only difference is that one of the JL YQ will not be charged (the other JL YQ and JL YR still are charged).
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE BASIS BOOK CODE FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS TOTAL
01 DONE4 D/D/D/D/* NOK 58119 32107 90226 ADT
02 DONE5 D/D/D/D/* NOK 66345 32107 98452 ADT
03 DONE6 D/D/D/D/* NOK 74827 33128 107955 ADT
*01-03*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
*01-03*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
*01-03*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
*01-03*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
*01-03*PAYMENT/TKT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
CONFIRMED **
.
WQ¥DF1«
WQ¥DF1
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE NOK 58119
TAX NOK 82G2 NOK 117ZN NOK 31908XT
TOTAL NOK 90226
OSL BA LON BA BDA AA MIA AA LAX AA SAT AA X/LAX AA HNL JL TYO JL
KUL MH BLR QF SYD QR DOH QR X/MAN BA X/LON BA OSL Q OSLOSL15.93
5777.54NUC5793.47END ROE10.031771
XT NOK2363GB NOK908UB NOK642BM NOK184BL NOK383E6
XT NOK77EN NOK538US NOK67YC NOK71XY NOK39XA
XT NOK114AY NOK166SW NOK41OI NOK173MY NOK2H8
XT NOK355G1 NOK175IN NOK426AU NOK444WY NOK168QA
XT NOK42PZ NOK168G4 NOK498YR NOK23567YQ NOK145P2
XT NOK78TK NOK28R9 NOK46XFHNL4.5
/////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN OSL ///////////////
PU -FARE BASIS-CUR NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
EUR 15.93 OSL-OSL MISCELLANEOUS SURCHARGE
01 DONE4 NOK 5777.54 OSL-OSL BA /RT RTG RW
5793.47 - TOTAL NUC
-TAX AMT/NOK/-- CUR CODES DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
3431 /YQI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
291:EUR 26.50 *OSL* *BA* 8019981
2506:EUR 228.50 *LHR* *BA* 8015204
269:EUR 24.50 *MAN* *BA* 8019800
291:EUR 26.50 *LHR* *BA* 8019981 ¥
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE BASIS BOOK CODE FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS TOTAL
01 DONE4 D/D/D/D/* NOK 58119 29169 87288 ADT
02 DONE5 D/D/D/D/* NOK 66345 29169 95514 ADT
03 DONE6 D/D/D/D/* NOK 74827 29169 103996 ADT
*01-03*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
*01-03*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
*01-03*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
*01-03*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
*01-03*PAYMENT/TKT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
CONFIRMED **
.
WQ¥DF1«
WQ¥DF1
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE NOK 58119
TAX NOK 82G2 NOK 117ZN NOK 28970XT
TOTAL NOK 87288
OSL BA LON BA BDA AA MIA AA LAX AA SAT AA X/LAX AA HNL JL TYO JL
KUL MH BLR QF SYD QR DOH QR X/MAN BA X/LON BA OSL Q OSLOSL15.93
5777.54NUC5793.47END ROE10.031771
XT NOK2363GB NOK908UB NOK642BM NOK184BL NOK383E6
XT NOK77EN NOK538US NOK67YC NOK71XY NOK39XA
XT NOK114AY NOK166SW NOK41OI NOK173MY NOK2H8
XT NOK355G1 NOK175IN NOK426AU NOK444WY NOK168QA
XT NOK42PZ NOK168G4 NOK172YR NOK20955YQ NOK145P2
XT NOK78TK NOK28R9 NOK46XFHNL4.5
/////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN OSL ///////////////
PU -FARE BASIS-CUR NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
EUR 15.93 OSL-OSL MISCELLANEOUS SURCHARGE
01 DONE4 NOK 5777.54 OSL-OSL BA /RT RTG RW
5793.47 - TOTAL NUC
-TAX AMT/NOK/-- CUR CODES DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
17524 /YQF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL
2174:USD 213.00 *HNL* *JL* 1057285
1674:USD 164.00 *NRT* *JL* 1057160
1119:EUR 102.00 *KUL* *MH* 7146950
12557:EUR 1145.00 *BLR* *QF* 2994925 ¥
71 US/XY2 IMMIGRATION USER FEE ¥
71:USD 7.00 *BDA* *AA* 002 130000
67 US/YC CUSTOMS USER FEE
67:USD 6.52 *BDA* *AA* 001 125000
46 US/XF PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE
46:USD 4.50 *HNL*
-IATA RATES OF EXCHANGE USED IN FARE CALCULATION --------------
10.0317710 NOK-ROE EFF 01FEB23*INDEF
-BSR USED IN TAX CALCULATION ----------------------------------
1USD:10.205848NOK 1EUR:10.96717467NOK
1AUD:7.10236743NOK 1GBP:12.37171956NOK
1INR:0.12362682NOK 1JPY:0.07778864NOK
1MYR:2.36904466NOK 1QAR:2.80264946NOK
-PRICING UNIT TRIP TYPE ---------------------------------------
PU 01 - SPECIAL RW SINGLE FARE COMPONENT
.
Validating carrier MH yields the same amount as JL
Code:
WQOSL/ABA4OCT/CDLHR/ABA/CDBDA/AAA/CDMIA/AAA/CDLAX/AAA/CDSAT/AAA/CD/XLAX/AAA/CDHNL/AJL/CDNRT/AJL/CDKUL/AMH/CDBLR/AQF/CDSYD/AQR/CDDOH/AQR/CD/XMAN/ABA/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/MNOK/SOSL/TOSL/VMH
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE BASIS BOOK CODE FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS TOTAL
01 DONE4 D/D/D/D/* NOK 58119 29169 87288 ADT
Validating carrier QF yields the same amount as BA
Code:
WQOSL/ABA4OCT/CDLHR/ABA/CDBDA/AAA/CDMIA/AAA/CDLAX/AAA/CDSAT/AAA/CD/XLAX/AAA/CDHNL/AJL/CDNRT/AJL/CDKUL/AMH/CDBLR/AQF/CDSYD/AQR/CDDOH/AQR/CD/XMAN/ABA/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDOSL-RW/MNOK/SOSL/TOSL/VQF
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE BASIS BOOK CODE FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS TOTAL
01 DONE4 D/D/D/D/* NOK 58119 33781 91900 ADT
Validating carrier QR yields the lowest amount, as only QR, BA, and MH YQ/YR are collected. Please note though I have heard from another FTer that at least one of the QR offices calculates segment by segment manually, resulting in a much higher amount. YMMV, perhaps with a different QR office.
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE BASIS BOOK CODE FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS TOTAL
01 DONE4 D/D/D/D/* NOK 58119 17312 75431 ADT
02 DONE5 D/D/D/D/* NOK 66345 17312 83657 ADT
03 DONE6 D/D/D/D/* NOK 74827 18333 93160 ADT
*01-03*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
*01-03*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
*01-03*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
*01-03*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
*01-03*PAYMENT/TKT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
ATTN*SEE OTHER FARES - USE XM QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-XM
ATTN*SEE ALL FARES - USE AL QUALIFIER, E.G. WQCTY/ACRCTY-AL
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
CONFIRMED **
.
WQ¥DF1«
WQ¥DF1
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE NOK 58119
TAX NOK 82G2 NOK 117ZN NOK 17113XT
TOTAL NOK 75431
OSL BA LON BA BDA AA MIA AA LAX AA SAT AA X/LAX AA HNL JL TYO JL
KUL MH BLR QF SYD QR DOH QR X/MAN BA X/LON BA OSL Q OSLOSL15.93
5777.54NUC5793.47END ROE10.031771
XT NOK2363GB NOK908UB NOK642BM NOK184BL NOK383E6
XT NOK77EN NOK538US NOK67YC NOK71XY NOK39XA
XT NOK114AY NOK166SW NOK41OI NOK173MY NOK2H8
XT NOK355G1 NOK175IN NOK426AU NOK444WY NOK168QA
XT NOK42PZ NOK168G4 NOK370YR NOK8762YQ NOK145P2
XT NOK78TK NOK28R9 NOK184XFMIA4.5LAX4.5LAX4.5HNL4.5
/////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN OSL ///////////////
PU -FARE BASIS-CUR NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
EUR 15.93 OSL-OSL MISCELLANEOUS SURCHARGE
01 DONE4 NOK 5777.54 OSL-OSL BA /RT RTG RW
5793.47 - TOTAL NUC
-TAX AMT/NOK/-- CUR CODES DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
5405 /YQF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL
4286:USD 420.00 *SYD* *QR* 888
1119:EUR 102.00 *KUL* *MH* 7146950
326 /YRI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
163:USD 16.00 *SYD* *QR* 10007 ¥