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anc305 Dec 18, 2024 9:37 am


Originally Posted by ademanuele (Post 36746134)
Can I just check/confirm, a stopover in London (which may include an overnight stay) for less than 24 hours avoids UK Air Passenger Duty?

Yes. I have done this many times. Less than 24h is the key. The APD is just a money grab and the old saying " give a mouse a cookie and then he will want a glass of milk " except the glass has turned into a gallon ( imperial ) Quote below sums it up.

"Introduced in 1994 as a “green” tax, levied on every flight departing a UK airport, the proceeds from APD have never actually been used to neutralise the environmental impact of air travel and have instead been funnelled into the general tax pot."

Hennebou Dec 22, 2024 1:24 pm

I did some playing around with ChatGPT to help me program a scrapper to get all of these AONEx fares from ExpertFlyer.

For reference, see below the top 30 list. Some definitions
  • This is with JL as ticketing carrier. I have checked with AA as well and there weren't any noticeable differences, but didn't check in detail / check all ticketing carriers (I plan to do that later).
  • All prices are in USD
  • I sometimes included multiple airports in the same country as I wasn't sure if they would price differently (they don't, pricing appears to be by country)
  • I ranked them by increasing AONE6 fares. The ranking is not 100% the same for all the fares (e.g. DEL is cheaper than KUL for AONE3 but more expensive for AONE6), so you should check for what you want
  • I have added points in various continents as I was trying to find where to start (ideally I would have liked to start in Americas as I don't care as much about US flights but wanted to maximize Asia / EU-DOH segments). Sadly Americas is by far the most expensive
  • Note: Cairo has really been priced to death. It now ranks last on the list, at almost double the prices of ex-Japan...

I'd be happy to do the same for DONE if people find this helpful, let me know

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c851e3e4bb.png

Always Flyin Dec 22, 2024 2:57 pm

"D" fares would be great! Appreciate the effort!

kayzng Dec 22, 2024 5:17 pm


Originally Posted by Hennebou (Post 36756176)
I did some playing around with ChatGPT to help me program a scrapper to get all of these AONEx fares from ExpertFlyer.

For reference, see below the top 30 list. Some definitions
  • This is with JL as ticketing carrier. I have checked with AA as well and there weren't any noticeable differences, but didn't check in detail / check all ticketing carriers (I plan to do that later).
  • All prices are in USD
  • I sometimes included multiple airports in the same country as I wasn't sure if they would price differently (they don't, pricing appears to be by country)
  • I ranked them by increasing AONE6 fares. The ranking is not 100% the same for all the fares (e.g. DEL is cheaper than KUL for AONE3 but more expensive for AONE6), so you should check for what you want
  • I have added points in various continents as I was trying to find where to start (ideally I would have liked to start in Americas as I don't care as much about US flights but wanted to maximize Asia / EU-DOH segments). Sadly Americas is by far the most expensive
  • Note: Cairo has really been priced to death. It now ranks last on the list, at almost double the prices of ex-Japan...

I'd be happy to do the same for DONE if people find this helpful, let me know

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c851e3e4bb.png

nice work!
Yes, D would be great if you have time to do it

Mwenenzi Dec 22, 2024 7:07 pm


Originally Posted by Always Flyin (Post 36756362)
"D" fares would be great! Appreciate the effort!

Indeed. Fewer airlines/routes/aircraft have long haul first class. And decreasing as time goes on

Does American still have international first class?
It's the last true international first-class product being flown by any American carrier. But Flagship First has been around since the early 2010s, and American plans to formally retire the product in the coming years.19 Oct 2024
With some airlines international business class is better than other airlines first class. Especially if modern business class suites.

sapphireb Dec 23, 2024 1:38 am

Would love update on DONE as now so few A flights available just don’t think it is worth it anymore….

Hennebou Dec 23, 2024 3:47 am

Here you go, updated list including DONE, removing duplicates (only showing one airport by country -- all the airports within a country have the same base fare), and with improved formatting (showing ranking). Oslo wins for DONEx it seems.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a88033afc1.png



Originally Posted by sapphireb (Post 36757086)
Would love update on DONE as now so few A flights available just don’t think it is worth it anymore….

Really? That was one of my questions actually. Looking ahead on EF, it looks like on some airlines (e.g. JAL) it's very hard to see even one seat available in A, even months in advance. But I was hoping that they would show up closer to departure... Maybe not.

Dr. HFH Dec 23, 2024 3:52 am


Originally Posted by Hennebou (Post 36756176)
I did some playing around with ChatGPT to help me program a scrapper to get all of these AONEx fares from ExpertFlyer.

For reference, see below the top 30 list. Some definitions
  • This is with JL as ticketing carrier. I have checked with AA as well and there weren't any noticeable differences, but didn't check in detail / check all ticketing carriers (I plan to do that later).
  • All prices are in USD
  • I sometimes included multiple airports in the same country as I wasn't sure if they would price differently (they don't, pricing appears to be by country)
  • I ranked them by increasing AONE6 fares. The ranking is not 100% the same for all the fares (e.g. DEL is cheaper than KUL for AONE3 but more expensive for AONE6), so you should check for what you want
  • I have added points in various continents as I was trying to find where to start (ideally I would have liked to start in Americas as I don't care as much about US flights but wanted to maximize Asia / EU-DOH segments). Sadly Americas is by far the most expensive
  • Note: Cairo has really been priced to death. It now ranks last on the list, at almost double the prices of ex-Japan...

I'd be happy to do the same for DONE if people find this helpful, let me know

Your table will be more useful (to you as well as others) once you become a bit more familiar with the basic rules. For example, yes. fares are set by originating country.

Just out of curiosity, what airline are you flying TATL in F? AFAIK, the only options are BA and AA, and I think that QR J is better than either of those. Plus, to whatever extent you're trying to maximize mileage, DOH to North America is much better than LHR to N.A.

dvs7310 Dec 23, 2024 6:42 am


Originally Posted by Hennebou (Post 36757225)
Here you go, updated list including DONE, removing duplicates (only showing one airport by country -- all the airports within a country have the same base fare), and with improved formatting (showing ranking). Oslo wins for DONEx it seems.

Really nice work. Something for everyone to be aware of, Pakistan implemented a luxury tax on air tickets a few months back that adds a good chunk to the ex-KHI / ISB / LHE price. India has one too, not sure if it's only premium cabins or all air tickets, but was about $500 on the last business ticket I searched for ex-India.

izzik Dec 23, 2024 6:54 am

Actually, MRU is cheaper than JNB .. FYI

sapphireb Dec 24, 2024 2:37 am

thanks, much appreciated!

Maple Red Dec 24, 2024 7:59 pm


Originally Posted by Hennebou (Post 36757225)
Here you go, updated list including DONE, removing duplicates (only showing one airport by country -- all the airports within a country have the same base fare), and with improved formatting (showing ranking). Oslo wins for DONEx it seems.

Hennebou,

This is very useful information. Thanks for contributing.

As a question to the members of this forum, why is there so much information about One World RTW tickets and comparatively little information about Star Alliance RTW tickets? A search of Flyertalk threads shows many many more OW than *A RTW posts.

izzik Dec 25, 2024 4:52 am

In my experience, star alliance RTW products are not as flexible because they don't allow for backtracking like xonex does (within region). There is still value if you can make it work for you, mainly by choosing stopover cities carefully, but I don't think the complexity level is high. YMMV.

Dr. HFH Dec 25, 2024 5:55 am


Originally Posted by Hennebou (Post 36757225)
Here you go, updated list including DONE, removing duplicates (only showing one airport by country -- all the airports within a country have the same base fare), and with improved formatting (showing ranking). Oslo wins for DONEx it seems.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a88033afc1.png

I assume that you set this up in Excel. Would you put it online and make the link available here? I'll be happy to if you can't, don't want to, or don't know how.

doctoravios Dec 30, 2024 9:35 am


Originally Posted by Hennebou (Post 36757225)
Here you go, updated list including DONE, removing duplicates (only showing one airport by country -- all the airports within a country have the same base fare), and with improved formatting (showing ranking). Oslo wins for DONEx it seems.

Really? That was one of my questions actually. Looking ahead on EF, it looks like on some airlines (e.g. JAL) it's very hard to see even one seat available in A, even months in advance. But I was hoping that they would show up closer to departure... Maybe not.

Congratulations - your post is about to become the most popular on FlyerTalk!

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...il-2025-a.html

I predict an influx into the oneworld forum from BAEC...


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