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zoombee Oct 30, 2024 1:39 am


Originally Posted by chivalryflyer (Post 36634189)
Additional information: I just checked Oneworld RTW rule, Egypt is included in Middle East continent region, therefore starting from CAI ending at DOH qualifies RTW ticket rule.

As you say, ending in doha instead of cairo meets xONEx rules and so in theory you can request a reroute for $125 adjusted for any change in taxes/surcharges

Your challenge is that a combination of incompetence and intransigence means qantas is often not playing the rules. Ie your issue isn't with oneworld or the xONEx rules but with what you can convince an erratic qantas yo do. Its hard to know but I think there is a thread dedicated to that.

dvs7310 Oct 30, 2024 7:52 am


Originally Posted by chivalryflyer (Post 36634106)
I’m about to complete my RTW trip ex-CAI, next month. I just realized that my final segment, DOH-CAI on Qatar Airways, doesn’t really work for my plans. However, since it’s part of a connecting ticket JRO-DOH-CAI, it’s a bit complicated. I contacted a Qatar Airways agent, and they confirmed that dropping the final segment is against policy.

Here’s my question:
1. Can a Qantas agent assist by canceling the last leg and reissuing the ticket without any fees, given that I’ve flown most of the RTW segments already?
2. If that’s not possible, would it work to simply not check in any baggage on the JRO-DOH leg and skip boarding the final DOH-CAI segment?



Thanks in advance for any guidance on this!


Originally Posted by chivalryflyer (Post 36634189)
Additional information: I just checked Oneworld RTW rule, Egypt is included in Middle East continent region, therefore starting from CAI ending at DOH qualifies RTW ticket rule.

Just turn it into a stopover if you wouldn't use the final segment for anything else (like DOH-AUH or DOH-DXB for example).

In theory you can end the ticket anywhere in the middle east, but depends on what your earlier itinerary was. If you ever had a stopover in DOH before, then QF can't do it. If you haven't then, you can at least make it a stopover now and just leave the last DOH-CAI segment unused.

If you won't have check in luggage, then you can just walk out of the airport in DOH and do as you wish, even on your existing ticket, but if you do have check in luggage, then QR will insist it is checked through, they don't short check. They may or may not give you difficulty about leaving DOH the same day on a different QR flight however. Best to use another airline to leave DOH if you go this route.

If all else fails I'd change it to xxx-DOH-AUH or DXB, they are cheaper and faster to get back to DOH from than CAI.

chivalryflyer Oct 30, 2024 9:49 pm


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36635061)
Just turn it into a stopover if you wouldn't use the final segment for anything else (like DOH-AUH or DOH-DXB for example).

In theory you can end the ticket anywhere in the middle east, but depends on what your earlier itinerary was. If you ever had a stopover in DOH before, then QF can't do it. If you haven't then, you can at least make it a stopover now and just leave the last DOH-CAI segment unused.

If you won't have check in luggage, then you can just walk out of the airport in DOH and do as you wish, even on your existing ticket, but if you do have check in luggage, then QR will insist it is checked through, they don't short check. They may or may not give you difficulty about leaving DOH the same day on a different QR flight however. Best to use another airline to leave DOH if you go this route.

If all else fails I'd change it to xxx-DOH-AUH or DXB, they are cheaper and faster to get back to DOH from than CAI.

Thanks! Change it to a stopover sounds a great plan. I never had a stopover in Middle East in my trip, expect originating from CAI, so it should be workable and easier than cancelling the segment (I hope).

Dr. HFH Oct 31, 2024 7:53 pm


Originally Posted by cr7L (Post 36616949)
Hi there! I'm wondering if its possible to use different FFN's for different segments on a single itinerary.

I don't think so. I think that the computer systems hold one frequent flyer number per itinerary, so you're left changing it at checkin or at the gate, segment by segment. I credit my AA flights to QRPC so that they're counted by mileage not revenue, and everything else to AA. For my RTW itineraries, I book them using the number I want to apply to the first flight, then change as I go along.



Originally Posted by Brianek (Post 36617942)
Wondering what people's thoughts are about going with an itinerary that the tool will allow me to ticket and then modifying it over the phone once it's booked and in the system. Any experiences with doing this? I'm looking at a DONE4 originating from NRT at present. First flight to KUL on Japan Airlines, but it could also be on Malaysian Airlines.

Am I likely to end up being ticketed with Qantas? If so (and this is problematic), any way to avoid it?

Why bother? If you modify, you are subject to a change fee and possible price increase. Why not just book it on the phone with an airline (I use the knowledgeable and friendly AA RTW desk) or a travel agent (but the T/A will charge a fee, of course)?



Originally Posted by Brianek (Post 36620234)
I think I'm going to end up ticketing this via a T/A.

Two problems to watch out for. First, although they may tell you otherwise, few travel agents understand these tickets well enough to do them. And second, there will be a fee from travel agents.

percysmith Oct 31, 2024 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36639236)
I don't think so. I think that the computer systems hold one frequent flyer number per itinerary, so you're left changing it at checkin or at the gate, segment by segment. I credit my AA flights to QRPC so that they're counted by mileage not revenue, and everything else to AA. For my RTW itineraries, I book them using the number I want to apply to the first flight, then change as I go along.

The consensus on the CX board is that while you have FQTV, FQTS and FQTR, there's no passenger-accessible way to code them separately.

On CX a further theory is is to code whatever FQTV you need the status points and miles for, then flash status card at the lounge door.

serfty Nov 2, 2024 6:18 pm


Originally Posted by percysmith (Post 36639340)

Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36639236)
I don't think so. I think that the computer systems hold one frequent flyer number per itinerary, so you're left changing it at checkin or at the gate, segment by segment. I credit my AA flights to QRPC so that they're counted by mileage not revenue, and everything else to AA. For my RTW itineraries, I book them using the number I want to apply to the first flight, then change as I go along.
...

The consensus on the CX board is that while you have FQTV, FQTS and FQTR, there's no passenger-accessible way to code them separately.

On CX a further theory is is to code whatever FQTV you need the status points and miles for, then flash status card at the lounge door.

The is correct, FQTV, FQTS and FQTR are available (including a couple of others [such as FQTU] ).

These can be coded differently for each segment, not just per booking.

While airline staff appear to have been told not to do so (or don't know how to), a competent TA can do it (and even advise on what FF may be most appropriate for each segment).

skipaway Nov 14, 2024 2:42 pm

Major FUBAR w DONE4
 
I commenced a DONE4 on March 10 of this year. I am at home now since I work, and planned originally to resume Nov 17. I cannot make that flight and have only recently been approved for definite time to resume. Interestingly, it took the RTW desk agent about 10 minutes to learn the ticket validity period. The rules say "one year". As it turns out after her research, I can finish on March 10, 2025, But that's just an interesting aside. I've been following availability on Expert Flyer and I want to resume travel on Feb 16 with a change in itinerary. I had all my flights ready to spoon feed to the agent and all were checked right before I called (and right after, too!). My very first flight, MAD-DOH, QR 150, she says has no availability. EF shows D9. The seat map, FWIW, shows 1 occupied seat, 14 blocked seats, and 10 available seats. She says the other QR flight, 152 also not available. I did not ask her to check the MH and IB codeshares--I just didn't think of it, and of course they would be far less rewarding. IB also has it's own flight which I did not inquire about. She also says I cannot leave it unfinished. I am in a quandry and have no clue how to proceed. This is my 4th xONEx and EF has been my go-to. Has anyone else encountered problems? Maybe it just the glitch of the day? Are there other tools out there that don't require a PhD in travel? Any suggestions welcome. If it's of any help, my routing was NRT-USA-DUB-DOH-AGP-HEL-DOH-AKL-Australia-TYO. I have an award flight back to Europe that ends in MAD, and rather than make my way to AGP-HEL etc, I wanted to make AGP-MAD surface, drop HEL and fly MAD-DOH etc.

Mwenenzi Nov 14, 2024 2:57 pm


Originally Posted by skipaway (Post 36672155)
I commenced a DONE4 on March 10 of this year. I am at home now since I work, and planned originally to resume Nov 17. I cannot make that flight and have only recently been approved for definite time to resume. Interestingly, it took the RTW desk agent about 10 minutes to learn the ticket validity period. The rules say "one year". As it turns out after her research, I can finish on March 10, 2025, But that's just an interesting aside. I've been following availability on Expert Flyer and I want to resume travel on Feb 16 with a change in itinerary. I had all my flights ready to spoon feed to the agent and all were checked right before I called (and right after, too!). My very first flight, MAD-DOH, QR 150, she says has no availability. EF shows D9. The seat map, FWIW, shows 1 occupied seat, 14 blocked seats, and 10 available seats. She says the other QR flight, 152 also not available. I did not ask her to check the MH and IB codeshares--I just didn't think of it, and of course they would be far less rewarding. IB also has it's own flight which I did not inquire about. She also says I cannot leave it unfinished. I am in a quandry and have no clue how to proceed. This is my 4th xONEx and EF has been my go-to. Has anyone else encountered problems? Maybe it just the glitch of the day? Are there other tools out there that don't require a PhD in travel? Any suggestions welcome. If it's of any help, my routing was NRT-USA-DUB-DOH-AGP-HEL-DOH-AKL-Australia-TYO. I have an award flight back to Europe that ends in MAD, and rather than make my way to AGP-HEL etc, I wanted to make AGP-MAD surface, drop HEL and fly MAD-DOH etc.

Nov 17 is close. Rather than change to route now suggest you push out the dates on the same route as booked.
That will give a few months to change the route to what you want/can find by Feb 16 2025.
Original route:- NRT-USA-DUB-DOH-AGP-HEL-DOH-AKL-Australia-TYO.
New route: NRT-USA-DUB-DOH-AGP, MAD-DOH-AKL-Australia-TYO.
Where are you now? What segments completed?
Date changes have (theoretically) no cost. Maybe a tax recalculation.
A route change is US$125 plus carrier surcharge/tax recalculation.

skipaway Nov 14, 2024 3:06 pm

[QUOTE= Maybe it just the glitch of the day? Are there other tools out there that don't require a PhD in travel? .[/QUOTE]
OK, the news is good. I called back, new agent, all went through. What a relief. Sorry to worry anyone for nothing. HUACA.

Cynicor Nov 14, 2024 4:47 pm

You can leave it unfinished. What are they going to do about it? They can’t ADM you. Would be keen of the ticketing airline to take you to court. So I doubt there would be any issue regardless

skipaway Nov 15, 2024 2:48 am


Originally Posted by Cynicor (Post 36672380)
You can leave it unfinished. What are they going to do about it? They can’t ADM you. Would be keen of the ticketing airline to take you to court. So I doubt there would be any issue regardless

When I called the first time I started with the itinerary change, making AGP-MAD a surface sector and dropping HEL. When the agent for some inexplicable reason couldn't see D availability MAD-DOH, I asked if she could restore original booking. She said until I completed the new routing nothing changes. We hung up with my original flights still in place. I would have taken Mwenenzi's advice but in the interim I'd called back to see if I could book a codeshare showing D on QR, or the IB flight. Fortunately, the new agent was able to book my desired changes. Otherwise, had I not been able to complete a new routing, I would have been a no show and I guess forfeited my remaining ticket. The good news is I got it done. The even better news is that Expert Flyer is still working!

Cynicor Nov 15, 2024 4:52 am

Yes. You of course forfeit the ticket, but there’s no extra penalty.

flyhurl Nov 15, 2024 7:06 am


Originally Posted by Cynicor (Post 36673262)
Yes. You of course forfeit the ticket, but there’s no extra penalty.

There was another thread about non-completion:

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...ion-rtw-2.html

Seemed many thought there could be consequences. Is this case different? I am trying to learn about these RTW tickets. Thanks.

Cynicor Nov 15, 2024 2:33 pm

Most of the thread is people saying no one has ever had a penalty as an individual?

wandering_fred Nov 15, 2024 5:51 pm

From the OneWorld rule sheet on xONEx ticket (earlier in 2024) Item 16(a)2

c. No Show requires rebooking at a charge of USD 125.

Have fun wandering
Fred


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