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Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 37600549)
If you have at least one flight on Finnair, you may be able to get an email with a breakdown of the levies, surcharges and taxes that have been charged.
Using the Amadeus PNR and your Surname, this will be possible if you can bring the booking up using Finnair manage booking. https://www.finnair.com/us-en/manage If the booking comes up, click "Passenger and Documents" on the left, then select "E-Ticket and document numbers" that appears. Choose "Send e-ticket receipt", select/enter your email address. In a few minutes you should receive an email, among the content of which is a full list of the Surcharge, Tax and Levy codes and the amount of each. |
Originally Posted by Jun_Man
(Post 37600588)
Thank you, this is super helpful. I've done so and the total taxes on that receipt is £651.99, o/w £268 is YQ/YR. Unfortunately it doesn't make up the full total though, but I'll do some more investigating, perhaps this only is the total for the AY codeshares.
Look for an XT entry. This is a general bucket identifier when amounts are combined in a tax/fee/charge box. |
Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 37600644)
It may cap at 24 on the email itself - the .pdf attached can show at least 30 - other than it generally lists all such charges attached to a ticket.
Look for an XT entry. This is a general bucket identifier when amounts are combined in a tax/fee/charge box. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...526513e2de.png |
Hey wandering_fred - so interesting thing has happened. AA desk allowed me to book this. I was booking two itineraries both of which included this scenario. They then went different directions for later segments but the transit without stopover in MIA between GIG and BOG is on both.
Today I got notification that one had been priced ready for payment and the other has a routing issue and I need to call. When I called the agent said it was those sectors as you suggested but then I asked why the other booking was OK and she agreed that it was strange - I did say I expected it to be the case but then also stated that the rules allow a second intl/arrival in NA provided it is a transit without stopover and I also mentioned the fact there are no other internal flights within SA (save QR GIG-EZE) so almost pointless including SA in a DONEx in any case but at least this helps if allowed. The agent spoke to the rates desk and pointed out one had been rated and the rate desk said yep should be ok and they will rate mine as well and come back with pricing in an hour or so. Yet to be confirmed but if it comes through then I have a couple of questions for the learned: 1) I'm almost certain to need to make date changes to these bookings down the track - am I likely to hit potential grief with that even though AA has accepted it and ticketed it prob outside the rules? 2) Is the only point of having two NA arrivals/departures rule to add some minor flexibility to an XONEX say perhaps for itins originating in SA to allow a few more options/ways of getting out of or back into SA? And perhaps allowing a few additional cities in SA to be added to a routing that are accessible only through the US eg CLO/MDE etc? If they do start to interpret it that a re-entry to SA is ok in conjunction with a transit without stopover in NA is OK then it def improves the dire lack of OW options in that continent |
Originally Posted by Jun_Man
(Post 37600686)
This is all I can see (from the PDF attachment; though it matches the email):
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...526513e2de.png |
Originally Posted by LilZeppelin
(Post 37593579)
One of my ex CAI rtws contained 17 segments if counting the unflown surface sector between origin and destination (within ME such as CAI AMM).
Not sure if that was overlooked because of numerous changes I had to do or if that is permitted by the rules.
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 37593680)
16 segments(coupons) is a technical limit of e-tickets. Pre e-ticket with paper tickets/coupons it was 32
3015 rule 4 (c) Which is taken to mean open jaw origin to destination allowed.
Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 37594595)
My first xONEx was of 20 segments. That was the limit in 2005.
It was comprised of 5 x 4 voucher paper ticket booklets stapled together. |
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 37603839)
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I thought 20 sectors was the limit of paper tickets (i. e., a book of tickets can contain at most 5 conjuncted tickets), hence the limit of xONEx back then. Did I remember wrong? Here is an early references on this forum to such of 26 segments. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...-analysis.html |
Originally Posted by serfty
(Post 37604121)
I believe the original xONEx fare rules did not have any specific limitation on the total number of segments.
Here is an early references on this forum to such of 26 segments. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...-analysis.html |
Originally Posted by paul4471
(Post 37601519)
Hey wandering_fred - so interesting thing has happened. AA desk allowed me to book this. I was booking two itineraries both of which included this scenario. They then went different directions for later segments but the transit without stopover in MIA between GIG and BOG is on both.
Today I got notification that one had been priced ready for payment and the other has a routing issue and I need to call. When I called the agent said it was those sectors as you suggested but then I asked why the other booking was OK and she agreed that it was strange - I did say I expected it to be the case but then also stated that the rules allow a second intl/arrival in NA provided it is a transit without stopover and I also mentioned the fact there are no other internal flights within SA (save QR GIG-EZE) so almost pointless including SA in a DONEx in any case but at least this helps if allowed. The agent spoke to the rates desk and pointed out one had been rated and the rate desk said yep should be ok and they will rate mine as well and come back with pricing in an hour or so. Yet to be confirmed but if it comes through then I have a couple of questions for the learned: 1) I'm almost certain to need to make date changes to these bookings down the track - am I likely to hit potential grief with that even though AA has accepted it and ticketed it prob outside the rules? 2) Is the only point of having two NA arrivals/departures rule to add some minor flexibility to an XONEX say perhaps for itins originating in SA to allow a few more options/ways of getting out of or back into SA? And perhaps allowing a few additional cities in SA to be added to a routing that are accessible only through the US eg CLO/MDE etc? If they do start to interpret it that a re-entry to SA is ok in conjunction with a transit without stopover in NA is OK then it def improves the dire lack of OW options in that continent |
booking with RTW desk is a manual process... so there will be slight variations in practice due to mistakes... depending on how long your ticket goes out and the carriers you are flying (esp AA metal), the chances of a significant schedule change may force you to contact AA to reticket, prompting another review.
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Need help with an itinerary
Hi experts... I am trying to make an itinerary work and somehow am getting a bit stuck.
Melbourne is home and places we are visiting.as a must are Europe in December 2026; South Africa in September 2027. We were thinking of getting 2 RTW tickets but if we can do it in one, we'll try. We are thinking: OSL to PER (via DOH or LHR for transit only) PER to MEL MEL to SYD Sydney to somewhere in Pacific return, probably Tonga Then to JNB via USA so something like OSL-LHR-PER-MEL-SYD-TBU-SYD-LAX-DFW-DOH-JNB-LHR-OSL the oneworld tool glitches because of the Euro stopovers but then says they can be under 24hrs. And the extra sectors would be used in either US or Asia if we tripped that by going to Aus first up. Any help welcomed!! |
Originally Posted by Cashew77
(Post 37610230)
Hi experts... I am trying to make an itinerary work and somehow am getting a bit stuck.
Melbourne is home and places we are visiting.as a must are Europe in December 2026; South Africa in September 2027. We were thinking of getting 2 RTW tickets but if we can do it in one, we'll try. We are thinking: OSL to PER (via DOH or LHR for transit only) PER to MEL MEL to SYD Sydney to somewhere in Pacific return, probably Tonga Then to JNB via USA so something like OSL-LHR-PER-MEL-SYD-TBU-SYD-LAX-DFW-DOH-JNB-LHR-OSL the oneworld tool glitches because of the Euro stopovers but then says they can be under 24hrs. And the extra sectors would be used in either US or Asia if we tripped that by going to Aus first up. Any help welcomed!! QF fly SYD-JNB. BA & QR fly from Capetown. A far better place than Jo'berg. (as a former Jo'berg resident) USA to Africa is difficult. No non stop flights. DOH is in EU-ME zone. TBU has QF (SYD) and FJ (NAN) flights. FJ fly to several USA destinations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fua%CA...tional_Airport To maximize ff earnings SYD-DFW-LAX-DOH may earn more than SYD-LAX-DFW-DOH. From AU many people start in Japan, with a separate flights AU to/from Japan. OW 3015 rule 4 (e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows: 1. Two permitted in North America. 2. Two permitted in Asia. 3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. A map from the Great Circle Mapper - Great Circle Mapper https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...37cad08b05.jpg |
Thank you! So does this make this a valid itinerary or do I need to start over? Couldn't quite get my head around it. And how many continents am I looking at to make it work? Thanks so much for your help!
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Originally Posted by Cashew77
(Post 37610394)
Thank you! So does this make this a valid itinerary or do I need to start over? Couldn't quite get my head around it. And how many continents am I looking at to make it work? Thanks so much for your help!
But I'm thinking you can maybe do better... I'm putting my ideas together and will post them shortly. What cabin class are you thinking of? (First, Business or Economy) |
I'm not sure if this is playing into trying to get the tool see a route as valid but it may help.
The tool seems to only consider an airport a transit if it is entered as a single line. E.g. OSL-LCA which comes up with route options via LHR is ok but entering OSL-LHR and a second line of LHR-LCA is always treated as a stopover even if you set the date to be the same for both |
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