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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 37568233)
Other than BCN, SDandi (from SJC, close to LAX), has stated were EU-ME stopovers will be.
3015 rule 8 Yes SDandi (from SJC, close to LAX), has stated were EU-ME stopovers will be. and it is stated here: OSL-xDOH-NBO-DOH-SGN-HGK-LAX-JFK-(DFW-LAX surface)-LIR-LAX-MAD-BCN-HEL-OSL And so I'm seeing proposed stopovers in DOH, MAD, BCN and HEL And since the itinerary starts in Oslo, only two stopovers are allowed in the continent of Europe/Middle East. ETA Re-reading the relevant posts, I think I maybe misinterpreted people's meanings. Mwenezi - you meant to say "other than BCN, SDAndi has NOT stated where EU/ME stopovers will be" and SDAndi put the 'x' in OSL-xDOH-NBO to show was definitely a transit, but chose to not indicate (perhaps at this early planning stage) whether the return to Europe/Middle East has more than the BCN stopover or not. Apologies to both of you. |
Not sure whether this has been discovered before, but I was able to con the online booking site to accept and price up a RTW itinerary in business class which exceeded 34k miles (my itinerary is 47k miles). I did it by entering all the flights, and then searching for an economy ticket. And then on the first choose flight page, switched it to business, at which point it recalculated and allowed me to select the flights and gave a price at the end.
I did think perhaps they'd done something to fix that bug, though searching for a business ticket straight away still threw the error. Annoyingly I still can't book through the website as the first flight I wanted to take is on QR, and it also refuses to show a JL fligt later in the itinerary, but which I know has D availability from ITA matrix. But it was still useful to be able to get the price (at least roughly) as well as confirmation that my itinerary was valid, and may be useful for others who are booking long itineraries but don't have their first flight as a QR one. |
Originally Posted by zaphod424
(Post 37568475)
Not sure whether this has been discovered before, but I was able to con the online booking site to accept and price up a RTW itinerary in business class which exceeded 34k miles (my itinerary is 47k miles).
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Originally Posted by R2
(Post 37568497)
There is no mileage limit on a oneworld Explorer fare, it is a continent based fare. The RTW fare with a mileage limit is called Global Explorer. Both fares are bookable on the RTW tool - at least in theory, there are lots of bugs in the tool.
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Originally Posted by zaphod424
(Post 37568544)
I'm aware that the oneworld explorer ticket allows trips over 34k miles, but the online booking tool has never (at least as far as I'm aware) been able to price up or book trips in business or first over 34k miles, you always had to call. But I'm pointing out that one can circumvent that bug by first searching for economy, and then changing to business on the flight selection page, allowing you to use the online tool to get a price and/or book a trip over 34k miles.
The tool can give a false error message "exceeded 34k miles" for a *ONE* itinerary fault, which does not have a mileage limit. Would be better if the tool just displayed "error". So that the user has to determine the error. On these tickets are many possible errors. |
pandaperth Mwenenzi Thank you for all of this!!
I think I caused a lot of confusion with how I wrote this out. Apologies. I blame my friend, wine.Thank you for the // pointer to indicate a surface segment. If I am understanding you guys: DFW-LAX does not have to be a surface segment, which makes sense. NBO has to be in there. We are picking up a safari from there. Well, technically from Wilson. My mistake with the last section. I thought I saw LAX-MAD-BCN on AA, but it doesn’t exist, so I would make the last part LAX-DFW-BCN So, lets see if I can write this out more clearly: OSL-xDOH-NBO-xDOH-SGN-HGK-LAX-JFK-xDFW-LAX-LIR-LAX-xDFW-BCN-xHEL-OSL So, DOH (both times), DFW (both times) and HEL are all transit. If the above doesn’t work under rule 8, I could finish with LAX-HEL-OSL on AY with AA codeshare Thinking I could add another stopover in Asia to get to 16 segments? |
Originally Posted by SDandi
(Post 37569972)
pandaperth Mwenenzi Thank you for all of this!!
I think I caused a lot of confusion with how I wrote this out. Apologies. I blame my friend, wine.Thank you for the // pointer to indicate a surface segment. If I am understanding you guys: DFW-LAX does not have to be a surface segment, which makes sense. NBO has to be in there. We are picking up a safari from there. Well, technically from Wilson. My mistake with the last section. I thought I saw LAX-MAD-BCN on AA, but it doesn’t exist, so I would make the last part LAX-DFW-BCN So, lets see if I can write this out more clearly: OSL-xDOH-NBO-xDOH-SGN-HGK-LAX-JFK-xDFW-LAX-LIR-LAX-xDFW-BCN-xHEL-OSL So, DOH (both times), DFW (both times) and HEL are all transit. If the above doesn’t work under rule 8, I could finish with LAX-HEL-OSL on AY with AA codeshare Thinking I could add another stopover in Asia to get to 16 segments? Elsewhere no difference (other than a few exceptions), but can make a difference to real taxes and maybe the mysterious black art of carrier YQ YR surcharges.. You now have 3 or 4 allowable segments and 1 of 2 allowable stopovers in EU-ME 4. FLIGHT APPLICATION / ROUTINGS <snip> (e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows: 1. Two permitted in North America. 2. Two permitted in Asia. 3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. (f) Only one international departure and one international arrival from/to the country of originpermitted. EXCEPTION: Two permitted for origin USA when one arrival-departure is a transfer without stopover. (g) Intermediate surface sectors are permitted at the passenger’s expense.NOTE: travel between USA and Canada is not counted as international. No more than 4 international transfers from the one country permitted. Transoceanic surface sectors between TC1-TC2 and TC1-TC3 are not permitted. EXCEPTION: For travel originating in the South West Pacific, one transoceanic surface sector between TC1-TC2 or TC1-TC3 is permitted. (h) A minimum of 3 and maximum of 16 segments, including surface segments between any 2 airports, are permitted for the entire journey. Free flight segments within each continent are limited as follows: <snip> |
Originally Posted by SDandi
(Post 37569972)
pandaperth Mwenenzi Thank you for all of this!!
.... I blame my friend, wine. Wine is my good friend too; So I understand. If I am understanding you guys: DFW-LAX does not have to be a surface segment. Correct. You are allowed up to six flight segments in Nth America, with no restriction on surface segments or stopovers. I thought I saw LAX-MAD-BCN on AA, but it doesn’t exist, so I would make the last part LAX-DFW-BCN You have a number of options for LAX-BCN, including the 3-times weekly overnight non-stop on Iberia. AA codeshares on these flights, if that is important to you for mileage earning. LAX-MAD-BCN is OK as well - with the last flight being on IB So, lets see if I can write this out more clearly: OSL-xDOH-NBO-xDOH-SGN-HGK-LAX-JFK-xDFW-LAX-LIR-LAX-xDFW-BCN-xHEL-OSL So, DOH (both times), DFW (both times) and HEL are all transit. If the above doesn’t work under rule 8, I could finish with LAX-HEL-OSL on AY with AA codeshare Your proposed itinerary is fine Thinking I could add another stopover in Asia to get to 16 segments? Yes. |
Thank you both again, pandaperth Mwenenzi
Two more questions/clarifications: I am going to book two of these. The itinerary will be the same for both, but dates will vary on a couple of the stopovers. Would I need two reservation codes? And, the first leg would be January of 2027. I want to book soon to lock in the first part of the trip. I plan on available dummy dates for the rest of the ticket and then changing them as the actual dates I want become available. Do you see any issues with this? |
Originally Posted by SDandi
(Post 37569972)
Thank you for the // pointer to indicate a surface segment. ... So, lets see if I can write this out more clearly: OSL-xDOH-NBO-xDOH-SGN-HGK-LAX-JFK-xDFW-LAX-LIR-LAX-xDFW-BCN-xHEL-OSL |
attempting to clarify using better nomenclature
I was lazy in my original post and just pasted cities directly from of output from the online tool. I'll attempt to update the nomenclature based on the good suggestion in henry999 post. (CAPS show stopovers, lowercase shows transits).
I'm seeking guidance in trying to clarify the rule with South Africa journeys with a single ME/EU departure. The tool gave me routings with both LHR and DOH stops, to/from South Africa. Is that a glitch, or does it matter that it is only a stopover? Here is the first one I priced: OSL-lhr-CPT,jnb-doh-HKG-HAN-nrt, HND-ORD, LAX-jfk, ORD-lhr-OSL #2: I've seen this one as a GLOB in the tool as well, FWIW OSL-lhr-CPT,jnb-doh-MCT-doh-HAN-nrt, HND-ORD, LAX-jfk, ORD-lhr-OSL Finally (#3), my attempt to abide the rule mentioned above, but this wouldn't work for me in the tool, presumably since it doesn't allow QR for first flight: OSL-doh-CPT,jnb-HKG-HAN-NRT, HND-ORD, LAX-JFK, ORD-lhr-OSL Any thoughts on the validity any of these? The tool sometimes flags me as being over the 34,000 mile limit, but I'm able to process through choosing flights and get pricing, sometimes as a GLOB explorer. #2 above shows 33,800 miles in GCMaps. I'm using OSL as a cheaper starting point, despite being based in North America. CPT is my main destination, and the other stops are mostly for fun/mileage running. Trying to maximize this as much as possible. Thanks in advance
Originally Posted by BTA
(Post 37565490)
Couple of more questions while playing around with the admittedly quirky online tool. That CPT is the main purpose of the trip means rules limit me somewhat, but the tool seems to be allowing me to fly from Europe to CPT then to asia via DOH. For example, both of these were valid in the tool...
Oslo - London - Cape Town - Johannesburg - Doha - Hong Kong - Hanoi - Tokyo - Chicago - Los Angeles - New York - Chicago - London - Oslo Oslo - London - Cape Town - Johannesburg - Doha - Muscat - Doha - Hanoi - Tokyo - Chicago - Los Angeles - New York - Chicago - London - Oslo I wasn't able to get it to price alternatives, like my preferred routing via DOH, and then bypassing EU/ME when departing South Africa to satisfy the rules as I understand them when including South Africa. Something like this: Oslo - Doha - Cape Town - Johannesburg - Hong Kong - Hanoi - Tokyo - Chicago - Los Angeles - New York - Chicago - London - Oslo I'm trying to maximize my AA earnings somewhat, with getting to/from CPT. After the first stop in Chicago, (basically home, the rest is to use up the ticket, and possibly build in another mini-trip. Not sure how to best mazimize it, depending on what I book, I should have at least one more segment to use. Thanks all for all of the expertise here.
Originally Posted by henry999
(Post 37572161)
Just a small thing. Another technique that I like -- not nearly so widely used as // but still -- is to put stops in all caps and transits in lower case, e.g., OSL-doh-NBO. Why? The first thing I do when someone asks for advice about an itinerary is copy it and paste it into the Great Circle Mapper for a visual interpretation of the routing. The GCM doesn't care about case but it does refuse to recognise (for example) xDOH so I've then got to strip out the x's and any other extraneous info that people sometimes include (e.g., airline codes). The point is that when you're asking for help, doesn't it make sense to keep things as simple as possible?
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Originally Posted by BTA
(Post 37572470)
The tool sometimes flags me as being over the 34,000 mile limit, but I'm able to process through choosing flights and get pricing, sometimes as a GLOB award.
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Originally Posted by henry999
(Post 37572767)
As noted here repeatedly, the tool is so buggy as to be of comparatively little use. The way it confounds GLOBAL Explorer and ONEWORLD Explorer is one maddening example. But, having said that, what is this award of which you speak?
Sorry. Global explorer. I fixed my post. I guess I’ll use the tool to map things out, see schedules, get a ballpark estimate of pricing, but little else. I appreciate your suggestion for how to list routings |
Originally Posted by BTA
(Post 37572470)
I was lazy in my original post and just pasted cities directly from of output from the online tool. I'll attempt to update the nomenclature based on the good suggestion in henry999 post. (CAPS show stopovers, lowercase shows transits).
I'm seeking guidance in trying to clarify the rule with South Africa journeys with a single ME/EU departure. The tool gave me routings with both LHR and DOH stops, to/from South Africa. Is that a glitch, or does it matter that it is only a stopover? Here is the first one I priced: OSL-lhr-CPT-jnb-doh-HKG-HAN-tyo-ORD-LAX-jfk-ORD-lhr-OSL #2: I've seen this one as a GLOB in the tool as well, FWIW OSL-lhr-CPT-jnb-doh-MCT-doh-HAN-tyo-ORD-LAX-jfk-ORD-lhr-OSL Finally (#3), my attempt to abide the rule mentioned above, but this wouldn't work for me in the tool, presumably since it doesn't allow QR for first flight: OSL-doh-CPT-jnb-HKG-HAN-TYO-ORD-LAX-jfk-ORD-lhr-OSL Any thoughts on the validity any of these? <snip> TYO has 2 airports NRT & HND. If unlucky may have a surface segment that counts in the 16. Better to list all airports, including any the OW tool suggests How is the tool giving you stops vs transits(transfer)? Only allowed 2 stopovers in continent of origin. |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 37572907)
How are you getting CPT to JNB? Via LHR(BA) or DOH(QR)? Should that be a surface segment CPT, JNB ?
TYO has 2 airports NRT & HND. If unlucky may have a surface segment that counts in the 16. Better to list all airports, including any the OW tool suggests How is the tool giving you stops vs transits(transfer)? Only allowed 2 stopovers in continent of origin. the tool lists Tokyo as TYO, but you're right, there is transit between NRT and HND, but presumably I still have sufficient segments. I'll update with these details as well. Thanks for your suggestions |
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