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A1pax Mar 9, 2026 5:32 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 37638570)
I find this curious/interesting. Would you mind reproducing the fare ladder for us?

I tried to snipe and paste but could not do it. So I manually typed here the taxes: A$210 AU, $251 WY, $36 SW, $38 TO, $93 KK, $17 SG, $465 GB, $97 UB, $145 M3, $66 US, $11 YC, $10 XY, $6 XA, $16 AY, $36 CA, $41 G3, $27 W1, $7 XF, and the carrier fees $495 YQ, $220 YR. As I mentioned earlier the difference between the all-in-cost (base fare + these numbers) and I had to pay the agent pp is around $900. I think this was probably excessive. May give AA desk a try next time?
PS - I have no clue as to what the taxes codes meant. If someone could explain them to me, much appreciated.

Cynicor Mar 9, 2026 5:53 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 37638570)
I'v
AUD 900 sounds pretty steep to me.
?

It is, but also these fares are a lot of work with near 0 commission, esp if it originates outside of aus. My fee is a bit of a "go away" quote. If the client wants to pay then I'll take the money but it's easier than the likely hassle that will be generated with booking these. Esp as sabre doesn't work well with them and so we must ticket on the final carrier or run into more issues.

A1pax Mar 9, 2026 6:09 am


Originally Posted by Cynicor (Post 37638781)
It is, but also these fares are a lot of work with near 0 commission, esp if it originates outside of aus. My fee is a bit of a "go away" quote. If the client wants to pay then I'll take the money but it's easier than the likely hassle that will be generated with booking these. Esp as sabre doesn't work well with them and so we must ticket on the final carrier or run into more issues.

Thanks, Cynicor, for explaining this. The TA worked hard for us and deserved his fees - although we provided him with all the flight details and dates (and we also checked that the D class were available for the flights).

Brianek Mar 9, 2026 6:56 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 37638570)
I've read in the past in various FT fora that Qantas sometimes makes up its own rules. I don't think that there's anything that IATA can, will, or would do. I don't see this as an IATA issue. Your situation sounds a lot like dealing with Immigration when entering Thailand after landing at BKK. The rules are whatever the Immigration officer you're standing in front of says they are.

Thanks. I think I may have worked out what is happening here. it seems that the problem is not actually the fare rule. It is the IATA ticket validity rule.Under IATA standard ticketing rule,an airline ticket is valid for 1 year from the date of issue unless reissued. The system prevents flights after that date being added to the reservation. What they need to do is reissue the ticket with extended validity tied to the first departure date.

Most Qantas frontline agents cannot override ticket validity and do not understand RTW fare construction so they don't know how to do this. I have now restructured the itinerary so I have all the destinations I want with the last flight before the 29th of October. Once they reissue the ticket, I'll simply change the dates of the affected flights - no fee for that.

Hopefully this is helpful for anyone else that runs into the same problem.

ernestnywang Mar 10, 2026 3:52 am


Originally Posted by A1pax (Post 37638762)
I tried to snipe and paste but could not do it. So I manually typed here the taxes: A$210 AU, $251 WY, $36 SW, $38 TO, $93 KK, $17 SG, $465 GB, $97 UB, $145 M3, $66 US, $11 YC, $10 XY, $6 XA, $16 AY, $36 CA, $41 G3, $27 W1, $7 XF, and the carrier fees $495 YQ, $220 YR. As I mentioned earlier the difference between the all-in-cost (base fare + these numbers) and I had to pay the agent pp is around $900. I think this was probably excessive. May give AA desk a try next time?
PS - I have no clue as to what the taxes codes meant. If someone could explain them to me, much appreciated.

AU and WY are Australia's Passenger Movement Charge, Passenger Services Charge, respectively.
SW is Japan's Passenger Service Facilities Charge.
TO is Tonga's charge and tax.
KK is New Zealand's Passenger Service Charge.
SG is Singapore's Passenger Service and Security Fee.
GB and UB are the UK's Air Passenger Duty (APD) and Passenger Service Charge.
M3 is Barbados' Airport Service Charge.
US, YC, XY, XA, AY, and XF are the US's Transportation Tax, Customs User Fee, Immigration User Fee, APHIS Passenger Fee, Passenger Civil Aviation Security Service Fee, and Passenger Facility Charge, respectively
CA and W1 are Canada's Air Travellers Security Charge and Airport Improvement Fee, respectively.
G3 is Hong Kong's Airport Construction Fee.

A1pax Mar 10, 2026 5:46 am


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37640707)
AU and WY are Australia's Passenger Movement Charge, Passenger Services Charge, respectively.
SW is Japan's Passenger Service Facilities Charge.
TO is Tonga's charge and tax.
KK is New Zealand's Passenger Service Charge.
SG is Singapore's Passenger Service and Security Fee.
GB and UB are the UK's Air Passenger Duty (APD) and Passenger Service Charge.
M3 is Barbados' Airport Service Charge.
US, YC, XY, XA, AY, and XF are the US's Transportation Tax, Customs User Fee, Immigration User Fee, APHIS Passenger Fee, Passenger Civil Aviation Security Service Fee, and Passenger Facility Charge, respectively
CA and W1 are Canada's Air Travellers Security Charge and Airport Improvement Fee, respectively.
G3 is Hong Kong's Airport Construction Fee.

THANK YOU so much, ernestnywang, for your detailed and excellent explanation of the codes - really appreciated it 👍🏼. Can these codes be found anywhere - just curious?

ernestnywang Mar 10, 2026 6:20 am


Originally Posted by A1pax (Post 37640802)
Can these codes be found anywhere - just curious?

I queried them in my Sabre terminal, which is not for public access. The information might be available somewhere else, but I'm not sure.

danger Mar 10, 2026 6:31 am


Originally Posted by A1pax (Post 37640802)
THANK YOU so much, ernestnywang, for your detailed and excellent explanation of the codes - really appreciated it 👍🏼. Can these codes be found anywhere - just curious?

Here's an old blog article: https://blog.thetravelinsider.info/air-travel-taxes.

donotblink Mar 10, 2026 11:49 pm

I'm working on a LONE3 through AA and hitting a strange CX issue.

Need HKG-ICN on 22 Mar. I can see what looks like L inventory on ExpertFlyer, the flight appears sellable via CX channels, and ITA Matrix also seems to show regular flights for sale in L. But AA says they cannot access/see L for that CX segment and therefore can’t add it to the Explorer.

So: has anyone seen a case where EF + ITA + CX sales channels show L, but AA still can’t book the CX segment in L on a paid oneworld Explorer?

From older FT threads, it looks like CX may not expose the same inventory to AA that appears elsewhere. Is that true/still true?

Would appreciate any data points, especially:
  • whether this is a known AA/CX access issue
  • whether manual pricing/tariff can sometimes override or confirm it
  • whether this is usually solved by HUCA
  • or whether the answer is simply that sales availability in L does not mean AA can ticket that segment in L on a LONE3


danger Mar 11, 2026 4:10 am


Originally Posted by donotblink (Post 37642252)
I'm working on a LONE3 through AA and hitting a strange CX issue.

Need HKG-ICN on 22 Mar. I can see what looks like L inventory on ExpertFlyer, the flight appears sellable via CX channels, and ITA Matrix also seems to show regular flights for sale in L. But AA says they cannot access/see L for that CX segment and therefore can’t add it to the Explorer.

So: has anyone seen a case where EF + ITA + CX sales channels show L, but AA still can’t book the CX segment in L on a paid oneworld Explorer?

From older FT threads, it looks like CX may not expose the same inventory to AA that appears elsewhere. Is that true/still true?

Would appreciate any data points, especially:
  • whether this is a known AA/CX access issue
  • whether manual pricing/tariff can sometimes override or confirm it
  • whether this is usually solved by HUCA
  • or whether the answer is simply that sales availability in L does not mean AA can ticket that segment in L on a LONE3

It could be a married segment issue, but it sounds like you may have that covered.

A1pax Mar 11, 2026 6:26 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 37640845)

danger, Thank You for that blog link. Much appreciated. Very educational.

ernestnywang Mar 11, 2026 10:21 am


Originally Posted by donotblink (Post 37642252)
I'm working on a LONE3 through AA and hitting a strange CX issue.

Need HKG-ICN on 22 Mar. I can see what looks like L inventory on ExpertFlyer, the flight appears sellable via CX channels, and ITA Matrix also seems to show regular flights for sale in L. But AA says they cannot access/see L for that CX segment and therefore can’t add it to the Explorer.

So: has anyone seen a case where EF + ITA + CX sales channels show L, but AA still can’t book the CX segment in L on a paid oneworld Explorer?

From older FT threads, it looks like CX may not expose the same inventory to AA that appears elsewhere. Is that true/still true?

Would appreciate any data points, especially:
  • whether this is a known AA/CX access issue
  • whether manual pricing/tariff can sometimes override or confirm it
  • whether this is usually solved by HUCA
  • or whether the answer is simply that sales availability in L does not mean AA can ticket that segment in L on a LONE3


Originally Posted by danger (Post 37642468)
It could be a married segment issue, but it sounds like you may have that covered.

What is your Point of Commencement (POC)? Do you have segments within 24 hours before or after ("married segment" referenced above)? Those matter. Manual pricing would not make a difference.

donotblink Mar 11, 2026 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37642999)
What is your Point of Commencement (POC)? Do you have segments within 24 hours before or after ("married segment" referenced above)? Those matter. Manual pricing would not make a difference.

The RTW tcket starts in Tokyo HND. No segments within 24 hours.

ernestnywang Mar 11, 2026 3:21 pm


Originally Posted by donotblink (Post 37643422)
The RTW tcket starts in Tokyo HND. No segments within 24 hours.

I actually see more L availability when HND is set as the Point of Commencement (POC or PC in the display below). It's indeed strange that the AA agent cannot see it. Would the AA agent be able to book you on the QR code-share?

Code:


       
Code:

       
SN*O22MARHKGICN
** ONEWORLD - SN ** ICN INCHEON INTERNA.KR                    10 SU 22MAR 0000
 1   CX 434  J9 C9 D8 P5 I1 W9 R9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  0815    1245  E0/77W       3:30
             E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
 2CX:QR3498  JL CL DL IL RL PL Y9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  0815    1245  E0/77W  TR   3:30
             B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OL WL TL
 3   CX 410  J9 C9 D9 P9 IL Y9 B9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  0920    1355  E0/773       3:35
             H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QL OL
 4UO:CX5630  J9 C9 D9 P9 I9 Y9 B9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1025    1455  E0/32Q       3:30
             H9 K9 MC LC VC SC NC QC OC
 5   CX 418  J4 C4 D4 P3 IL Y9 B9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1405    1835  E0/32Q       3:30
             H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 QL OL
 6CX:QR8370  JL CL DL IL RL PL Y9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1405    1835  E0/32Q  TR   3:30
             B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QL OL WL TL
 7   CX 416  J5 C4 DL PL IL Y9 B9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1650    2125  E0/333       3:35
             H9 K9 M9 LL VL SL NL QL OL
 8CX:QR5832  JL CL DL IL RL PL Y9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1650    2125  E0/333  TR   3:35
             B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 VL SL NL QL OL WL TL



Code:

SN*O22MARHKGICN/PCHND
** ONEWORLD - SN ** ICN INCHEON INTERNA.KR                    10 SU 22MAR 0000
 1CX:QR3498  JL CL DL IL RL PL Y9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  0815    1245  E0/77W  TR  3:30
            B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 OL WL TL
 2  CX 434  JL CL DL PL IL W9 R9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  0815    1245  E0/77W      3:30
            E9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O3
 3  CX 410  J6 C4 D4 P3 I3 Y9 B9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  0920    1355  E0/773      3:35
            H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N6 Q3 OL
 4UO:CX5630  J9 C9 D9 P9 I9 Y9 B9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1025    1455  E0/32Q      3:30
            H9 K9 MC LC VC SC NC QC OC
 5CX:QR8370  JL CL DL IL RL PL Y9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1405    1835  E0/32Q  TR  3:30
            B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QL OL WL TL
 6  CX 418  J1 CL DL PL IL Y9 B9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1405    1835  E0/32Q      3:30
            H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 NL QL OL
 7  CX 416  JL CL DL PL IL Y9 B9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1650    2125  E0/333      3:35
            H9 K9 M9 L7 V3 SL NL QL OL
 8CX:QR5832  JL CL DL IL RL PL Y9 /HKG 1 ICN 1  1650    2125  E0/333  TR  3:35
            B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 VL SL NL QL OL WL TL


anabolism Mar 11, 2026 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by A1pax (Post 37638012)
I have a DONE4 itin and a rough idea on the base fare (ex Japan). How much should I expect to pay a TA commission / fee to ticket it? Would the (all inclusive) fare be the same as calling AA desk to ticket. Does AA desk charge a fee? Thanks in advance.

The fare and taxes and carrier-imposed fees will in theory be the same using an airline or a travel agent. However, some travel agents will auto-price an RTW using Sabre, while AA (like most airlines) will send an itinerary to be manually processed. Many travel agents will send an RTW to the issuing airline to be priced. The base fare will be the same regardless of auto-price or hand-calculated, and the taxes will likely also be the same, but the carrier-imposed fees can vary due to differences in the way they are calculated.

In my experience, travel agents typically charge around $125-$150 per person per ticket issuance. Some may charge much more or much less, of course. There's also American Express Platinum Travel, available if you hold an AmEx Platinum card (this is separate from regular American Express Travel, which is primarily website). Last time I used them, they didn't charge a fee.



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