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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 37658509)
With both AA and JL, a flight have be D9 in Sabre or Amadeus in an ordinary record but D0 for an RTW record.
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 37658574)
I haven't found that to be the case. I book with the RTW desk exclusively, and often have no trouble booking flights showing as little as D3 in EF, although I try to keep towards the higher D class availability flights.
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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 37660208)
I must pick flights that are more jealously huarded by the operating carrier. For example, JL 5 JFK-HND can be wide open in EF or for a regular booking, but D0 for an RTW, per both JL and AA.
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Booked the following through the AA RTW desk. Very helpful staff, easy process after I worked through stingy BA LHR-MLE inventory, actively avoided OSL-DOH-MLE in January 2027 due to the gulf conflict, and had them correct an error in pricing.
OSL-LHR-KUL-MLE-KUL-MNL-HKG-SFO-JFK-GRU-xDFW-SFO-DOH-SEZ-xDOH-OSL When this was first sent to pricing, they rated this route as a DONE6. I called to point out the error and the agent sent it back to pricing for correction to a DONE5. The agents were perplexed, when they look at the fare class on their screen it always shows as a DONE6, and that is clearly wrong. They mentioned the pricing group should have caught this error the first time. Total cost for 2 pax - $18,760 USD (base fare $6,777 each, taxes and fees $1077, carrier fees $1526). It is optimized for my AY program to retain OWE. If BA ever opens up some more January D class on LHR-MLE I will look into changing the ticket to OSL-LHR-MLE-KUL… as it is more efficient and frees up two segments for SFO-ANC-SFO. But BA seems to only release two seats 330 days in advance for January, and it is literally impossible to have that as the second segment on a DONE before they sell out, because you need some time to fit in the rest of your itinerary as dummy segments, sigh. |
I would imagine we're in for some price hikes this year, let alone YR/YQ
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 37660289)
IIRC JL 5 is now operated with 351 equipment on most days. That's the new JL seating and my understanding that JL guards 351 flights jealously with respect to both awards and discounts.
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Originally Posted by smf_ltn
(Post 37660358)
actively avoided OSL-DOH-MLE in January 2027 due to the gulf conflict
Originally Posted by smf_ltn
(Post 37660358)
Total cost for 2 pax - $18,760 USD (base fare $6,777 each, taxes and fees $2585, carrier fees $18).
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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 37661142)
It seems unlikely that you have $2,585 in true taxes and only $18 in carrier-imposed fees.
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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 37658509)
With both AA and JL, a flight have be D9 in Sabre or Amadeus in an ordinary record but D0 for an RTW record. The same flight for the same date shows the same restriction with AA (Sabre) and JL (Amadeus). I mention those two airlines because I haven't asked any others. I did ask a friend who books his own (non-RTW) tickets in Sabre and he was able to book the flight but told me if he proceeded it would likely come back unconfirmed later.
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 37661999)
Amadeus can check availability using the "/PC" command to query based on Point of Commencement (PoC). Sabre will need segments from the same origin booked first before availability display changes to that specific PoC (or in case Sabre has a command for that, I haven't found it). Would be happy to try to check at some point if a flight has availability (assuming same married segment status) for a particular PoC but not for RTW. It would be difficult to match PoS, though.
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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 37661142)
It seems unlikely that you have $2,585 in true taxes and only $18 in carrier-imposed fees.
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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 37662222)
In my case, the point of origin is OSL and the flight in question is JL5 JFK-HND in September. So perhaps a simple test might be OSL-LHR-JFK//JFK-HND, in mid to late September.
Code:
snjl11sepjfkhnd/a+jl/pcoslCode:
SNJL11SEPJFKHND/A+JL |
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 37662581)
When the Point of Commencement is OSL (with "/PCOSL") added in the command, indeed there was no D availability at all.
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 37662581)
Simply, JL doesn't want to release its JFKHND seats when someone originates from OSL. Obviously, if someone originates from OSL wants to fly JL's JFKHND, the person likely is looking at an RTW, so that could be JL's reason to restrict availability.
I wonder if someone were to try and work around a point of commencement restriction by using, for example, a U.S. point of commencement, and then adding additional flights to the front, if the restricted flights would stay confirmed. |
Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 37662679)
Thanks very much for doing the test.
I wonder if someone were to try and work around a point of commencement restriction by using, for example, a U.S. point of commencement, and then adding additional flights to the front, if the restricted flights would stay confirmed. |
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 37662581)
Simply, JL doesn't want to release its JFKHND seats when someone originates from OSL. Obviously, if someone originates from OSL wants to fly JL's JFKHND, the person likely is looking at an RTW, so that could be JL's reason to restrict availability. However, the restriction not only applies to A and D classes but all booking classes in the F and J cabin. I don't know why. However, once again, I think PoC is the player here, not the fare.
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