Non-completion of RTW
Jul 26, 2024 | 9:12 am
#16
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 278
It seems that adverse consequences are rare, but we shouldn't encourage it, nor individually develop a habit, because it could well be pursued by the airline.
I seem to recall ages ago that a major consulting firm used to book all its transatlantic travel as oneway LHR-JFK + oneway JFK-LHR-CPH and dropping the last segment. I don't know whether the airline pursued them but it would seem a likely target for the revenue management team!
I seem to recall ages ago that a major consulting firm used to book all its transatlantic travel as oneway LHR-JFK + oneway JFK-LHR-CPH and dropping the last segment. I don't know whether the airline pursued them but it would seem a likely target for the revenue management team!
Jul 27, 2024 | 5:48 am
#17
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It seems that adverse consequences are rare, but we shouldn't encourage it, nor individually develop a habit, because it could well be pursued by the airline.
I seem to recall ages ago that a major consulting firm used to book all its transatlantic travel as oneway LHR-JFK + oneway JFK-LHR-CPH and dropping the last segment. I don't know whether the airline pursued them but it would seem a likely target for the revenue management team!
I seem to recall ages ago that a major consulting firm used to book all its transatlantic travel as oneway LHR-JFK + oneway JFK-LHR-CPH and dropping the last segment. I don't know whether the airline pursued them but it would seem a likely target for the revenue management team!
Sep 24, 2024 | 9:53 am
#18
Join Date: Jul 2024
Location: DFW
Programs: AAdvantage
Posts: 217
What would you do?
More detail - We have a RTW that the last flight is HKG HEL OSL (shown on ticket as one flight, two segments). Need to get to DFW and would like to just do HEL DFW on a separate ticket.
So can we reschedule a segment vs. flight? Or can we just no show the HEL OSL flight? and take the same airline HEL DFW 7 hours later on a separately booked ticket? This option gets us to DFW 8 hours earlier with 2 less stops than going on to OSL then DFW.
Just trying to understand the options. Thanks.
So can we reschedule a segment vs. flight? Or can we just no show the HEL OSL flight? and take the same airline HEL DFW 7 hours later on a separately booked ticket? This option gets us to DFW 8 hours earlier with 2 less stops than going on to OSL then DFW.
Just trying to understand the options. Thanks.
So, now I am nervous about using the same airline in HEL to get to DFW if I no show them earlier the same day.
The other option is to add a 2 stop flight to get from OSL to DFW. Currently don't see a good option for this using AA miles. Would probably book Iceland air if we need to pay cash.
Only bright side of that option is that I might change the HKG OSL to be on Qatar Business vs Finnair Business.
What would you do? Any creative ideas out there? Thanks for all help.
Sep 24, 2024 | 10:27 am
#19
Join Date: Mar 2000
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I don't think AY will care much if you miss your HEL-OSL. If you have checked-in baggage, you may have some struggle negotiating the short checking and while AY is usually pretty lenient there you never know for 100%.
The one thing I would do is not to have the same ff number on the two tickets.
The one thing I would do is not to have the same ff number on the two tickets.
Sep 24, 2024 | 10:34 am
#20
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Second ticket is an award ticket
I don't think AY will care much if you miss your HEL-OSL. If you have checked-in baggage, you may have some struggle negotiating the short checking and while AY is usually pretty lenient there you never know for 100%.
The one thing I would do is not to have the same ff number on the two tickets.
The one thing I would do is not to have the same ff number on the two tickets.
Sep 24, 2024 | 10:35 am
#21
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Your choice whether you have two at the start, two at the end, or one at the start and one at the end.
How many such stopovers did you have at the start? If less than two, then you can change HEL from a transit to a stopover.
(For completeness - transit means 24hrs or less between flights, stopover means more than 24hrs between flights; the term layover is not used in the rules.)
Sep 24, 2024 | 10:54 am
#22
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The rule is that you cannot have more than two stopovers in the continent of origin.
Your choice whether you have two at the start, two at the end, or one at the start and one at the end.
How many such stopovers did you have at the start? If less than two, then you can change HEL from a transit to a stopover.
(For completeness - transit means 24hrs or less between flights, stopover means more than 24hrs between flights; the term layover is not used in the rules.)
Your choice whether you have two at the start, two at the end, or one at the start and one at the end.
How many such stopovers did you have at the start? If less than two, then you can change HEL from a transit to a stopover.
(For completeness - transit means 24hrs or less between flights, stopover means more than 24hrs between flights; the term layover is not used in the rules.)
Sep 24, 2024 | 11:40 am
#23
Join Date: Mar 2000
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It's a long story but I almost learned it the hard way years ago not have the same ffp number on two conflicting itineraries.
Sep 25, 2024 | 1:05 pm
#25
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Worked on the last leg. I rebooked my last flight that was on Finnair HKG-HEL-OSL to a day earlier on Qatar HKG-DOH-OSL. The AA RTW phone person insisted that there was a change fee of $125 per ticket. The taxes were lower so she took my card for $114.147 each ticket. I thought if the ticketing points did not change there would be no change fee?
I think I finally have the ticket the way I want it now. That's good, just not sure what to do about the fee.
Thanks to everyone.
I think I finally have the ticket the way I want it now. That's good, just not sure what to do about the fee.
Thanks to everyone.
Sep 25, 2024 | 1:53 pm
#26
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Worked on the last leg. I rebooked my last flight that was on Finnair HKG-HEL-OSL to a day earlier on Qatar HKG-DOH-OSL. The AA RTW phone person insisted that there was a change fee of $125 per ticket. The taxes were lower so she took my card for $114.147 each ticket. I thought if the ticketing points did not change there would be no change fee?
I think I finally have the ticket the way I want it now. That's good, just not sure what to do about the fee.
Thanks to everyone.
I think I finally have the ticket the way I want it now. That's good, just not sure what to do about the fee.
Thanks to everyone.
Therefore the change fee was USD125
Sep 25, 2024 | 2:08 pm
#27
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Thanks for the answer
I made the assumption (HA) that I was booking HKG to OSL as the ticket points... Live and learn.
Sep 26, 2024 | 4:08 am
#28
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I've only done it for AA to JL on a ticket that had YQ but was doing other changes at the same time that needed the $125 fee anyway. AA's and JL's YQ tend to be very close, at least the routes I've used on xONEx. I also did a change from AA code to QF code once, but it was an ex-Japan with no YQ anyway, so there wasn't any noticeable difference, that happened pre-ticketing so no $125 fee.
Sep 26, 2024 | 5:41 pm
#29
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Rule 16(a).1.b, Rebooking/Rerouting Prior to Departure:
Changes to ticketed points are permitted at a charge of USD 125 per transaction. If the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will also be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
Rule 16(a).2.b, Rebooking/Rerouting After Departure:
Changes to ticketed points are permitted at a charge of USD 125 per transaction.
The $125 fee is only imposed for changes to ticketed points. No difference between stops and connections. Notwithstanding the reluctance of some carriers to follow the rules, these are quotes from the published rules. If the people who issued your ticket won't follow them, it's time to find someplace else to buy these tickets.