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pbd456 Aug 4, 2016 8:55 am


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27014480)
What date did you put in? Qatar starts service there on December 14th.




Rookie mistake. I was trying to be one of the cool kids with all of the lingo but I meant Qantas :cool:
As I just mentioned, they quoted me $30,000 yesterday. Any idea why they got that number? Do you have a certain amount of segments on the OW carrier that you are booking through?

a sequence of.one way ticket

SDandi Aug 4, 2016 9:03 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27014497)
a sequence of.one way ticket

Meaning that is how the agent entered it, as opposed to a RTW?

SDandi Aug 4, 2016 9:05 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 27014407)
Progress. The agents have priced it manually but they are unable to find D or L availability on DOH-CMN-DOH so they have dropped those two sectors out of the itinerary completely. ExpertFlyer shows D9 and L9 so I've no idea what QF is on about. (QF and QR are far from friends so maybe QR is limiting availability to QF.)

The upside is it has priced at what it should: AUD4546.20. In fact, it's AUD300 cheaper than what AA quoted which seems totally bizarre.

The agent also now seems to accept that my routing is valid and has accepted that if QR opens up availability (which, in my opinion, will be as simple as phoning AA to make the change once it's ticketed), then USD125 will be the charge and Bob's your uncle (ie. all is good).

Qantas is holding the fare for me for 24 hours. I confirmed, twice, that the fare was locked in. Yes, I know. I should not procrastinate. My issue is Qantas won't charge me in USD which is where my funds are at the moment. But I guess I can't have everything.

Congrats!! Would you mind sharing what number you called?

pbd456 Aug 4, 2016 9:05 am


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27014541)
Meaning that is how the agent entered it, as opposed to a RTW?

since there is no rtw ticket being file ex sez. what other way could they price it? just a guess

SDandi Aug 4, 2016 9:08 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27014554)
since there is no rtw ticket being file ex sez. what other way could they price it? just a guess

This was for my ex-MPM trip that AA had priced out for me before the price increase.

BA was able to put in the ex- SEZ flight on Qatar. Im just waiting for them to come back with the fare.

pandaperth Aug 4, 2016 9:09 am


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27014480)
What date did you put in? Qatar starts service there on December 14th.

I just tried February 2017 - still no fares. If fares are going to be newly filed for when QR starts its service, then I expect the prices will be "sensible", meaning not incredibly low:(

As I just mentioned, they quoted me $30,000 yesterday. Any idea why they got that number?
Remind me - what are you trying to book (meaning how many continents and what fare class, for example is it a DONE5, an AONE6)
Also what dollars was Qantas quoting USD or AUD?

Looking in ExpertFlyer, the base price of an AONE6 ex-USA is close to USD20,000. If QF quoted you that, then in AUD with the ad-ons that could come close to 30K

Do you have a certain amount of segments on the OW carrier that you are booking through?
Yes. As a general rule carriers want to have some of the long-haul segments on their flight numbers before they will ticket. In my case:
DONE5 ticketed by QF - the last 6 flights are on QF, including 2 inter-continental flights
DONE6 ticketed by AA - the middle 4 flights are on AA, including 3 inter-continental flights

SDandi Aug 4, 2016 9:17 am


I just tried February 2017 - still no fares. If fares are going to be newly filed for when QR starts its service, then I expect the prices will be "sensible", meaning not incredibly low
Got it. I'll let you know what BA says when they call me today.


Looking in ExpertFlyer, the base price of an AONE6 ex-USA is close to USD20,000. If QF quoted you that, then in AUD with the ad-ons that could come close to 30K
It's a DONE4. I gave her the exact itinerary that I gave to AA and the base, before the price increase, was $2398. I asked her several times if that was in USD and she said yes.


Yes. As a general rule carriers want to have some of the long-haul segments on their flight numbers before they will ticket. In my case:
Do you think that could be the issue? I had no Qantas flights on my route.
Thank you pandaperth!

skunker Aug 4, 2016 9:20 am

Don't worry, I checked all QR destinations a few days ago and none are close to what we had. MPM is still the lowest. It looks like a lot of the fares are being priced in USD to avoid similar devaluation creating buying opportunities.

But, it does look like we have KRT Round 2 situation going on.

danger Aug 4, 2016 9:20 am


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27014433)
I misread...you are talking to Quantas. I was on the phone with them for over an hour yesterday. I gave them the same itinerary as AA and they priced it at $30,000. Can someone please tell me the most capable office to call to do this?

Give Qantas another shot. Push them if they say something's not allowed when the collective wisdom of FlyerTalk knows better.


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27014438)
Congratulations

Your DOH-CMN-DOH problem could be the problem I had with my CMN-xDOH-OSL flights in January this year.
QR has some weird married-segment logic. The way around it is to have stopovers in DOH - so for me CMN-DOH and DOH OSL were fine whereas CMN-xDOH-OSL was not.

Interesting.


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27014442)
we have an ex jnb issued by qf. it has problem finding d class on qr when cx has no problem.


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27014463)
we have dfw doh xbcn doh xosl doh dur. similar problem with qf but cx had no problem

Doesn't surprise me, unfortunately.


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27014551)
Congrats!! Would you mind sharing what number you called?

Certainly. It was 131211, the number for Qantas Platinums. Try the regular number if you're not Platinum. I think it's 131313. Perhaps start by asking the agent if he or she is familiar with the oneworld Explorer rules.

pandaperth Aug 4, 2016 9:25 am


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27014613)
It's a DONE4. I gave her the exact itinerary that I gave to AA and the base, before the price increase, was $2398. I asked her several times if that was in USD and she said yes.

I have no idea what happened there - other than pbd456's suggestion that it was priced as a series of one-way fares and not as a Oneworld Explorer


Do you think that could be the issue? I had no Qantas flights on my route.
Possibly, I don't have a strong feel for this. Does the ticketing airline get a slice of the action just for ticketing, I wonder? If so, then QF might be willing to ticket.

(As an example: I bought my ex-KRT DONE4 from AA; it had just one AA segment, its codeshare on RJ's AMM-JFK flight. After a couple of months, there was a schedule change, and I noticed that AA had moved me onto the RJ flight number. So I had an AA-issued ticket with no AA flights on it. I expect AA had realised how little they were going to make on that flight, decided they could do better selling that seat to someone else and so moved me to RJ.)

pbd456 Aug 4, 2016 9:31 am


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27014613)
Got it. I'll let you know what BA says when they call me today.



It's a DONE4. I gave her the exact itinerary that I gave to AA and the base, before the price increase, was $2398. I asked her several times if that was in USD and she said yes.



Do you think that could be the issue? I had no Qantas flights on my route.
Thank you pandaperth!

u can try to see but u can also come up.with a backup plan with a done6 involving qf.

pbd456 Aug 4, 2016 9:40 am


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 27014627)
Don't worry, I checked all QR destinations a few days ago and none are close to what we had. MPM is still the lowest. It looks like a lot of the fares are being priced in USD to avoid similar devaluation creating buying opportunities.

But, it does look like we have KRT Round 2 situation going on.

is it legal to file a fare ex a country not using the legal tender?

this reminds me of ex rgn in which i was never able to go. i tried to buy some in round 1. got a ticket, and then some more via a spanish website. i looked to enter the country usa and i couldnt find it under u... i used my sister card from hk. credit limit over.. bought 2 more round 3 and were cancelled by swiss. i couldnt flew my one way rgn bkk lhr bos.because.of work and thai offered me 500usd to cancel the ticket... meanwhile my sister went to nan on the ex rgn fare. oh well.

pandaperth Aug 4, 2016 9:45 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27014745)
is it legal to file a fare ex a country not using the legal tender?

I don't know, but it is not uncommon
For example:
- many Caribbean island nations Oneworld Explorers are quoted in USD
- as is Tanzania's
- Russia's is quoted in Euros

danger Aug 4, 2016 9:51 am

I seem to recall someone mentioning upthread (or in one of the other similar threads) that it's important to have the dates of your first two flights concrete, rather than just the first one. Is that correct? If so, what is the reason?

pbd456 Aug 4, 2016 9:53 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 27014822)
I seem to recall someone mentioning upthread (or in one of the other similar threads) that it's important to have the dates of your first two flights concrete, rather than just the first one. Is that correct? If so, what is the reason?

i connect in Doha... and want to make sure it is a transit in europe.


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