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Dec 23, 2025 | 4:31 pm

#3181

izzik

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Quote:

Originally Posted by allset2travel

Currently trying to make date change for a DONEx. On EF, I saw schedule up to Dec 19, 2026.
Before calling AA RTW desk, thought I'd ask it here first. Is it possible to actually book flight for that date?
TIA

yes, but when is the first flight for the DONEx?

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Dec 23, 2025 | 8:15 pm

#3182

paul4471

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Quote:

Originally Posted by moral_low_ground

Thanks - good to know that its (generally) quiet at 1430. I appreciate that I currently have 4 hours with the "new" schedule but an extra 1 hr 15 mins will be better especially as I really need to be in Perth the next day (but not life and death).

Not sure if you are aware but QF has recently recommenced the JNB-PER flights (3 x week) and AKL? Maybe QF has finally realised that PER flyers do want to go other intl destinations than just Europe.

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Dec 23, 2025 | 10:04 pm

#3183

ernestnywang

Join Date: Sep 2005

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Quote:

Originally Posted by link2

On the topic of JL availability, does anyone know why a JL flight that appears to be wide open (D9) both on EF and to the AA RTW desk would come back "unconfirmed" every time they tried to book it? I've been trying to switch from JL38 to JL36 for months with no success, and with the departure date approaching (February) the situation seems unlikely to improve.

I suspected it might be a POC thing but that doesn't explain why the agents are seeing availability only to then fail to book the flight...

Agree that if the agent can see D availability within your PNR, POC is already taken into consideration. If the agent knows how to and is capable to do that, try to use the "long sell" command for waitlist (for Sabre, used by AA, that would be 0JL36D01FEBSINHNDLL2 for 2 seats on 01FEB) and see if the waitlist request then comes back as confirmed. If that still doesn't work though, c'est la vie. It happens occasionally, unfortunately. Obviously, this is assuming SIN and HND are both stopovers (>24 hours), or else Married Segment Control (MSC) might be the reason.

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Dec 24, 2025 | 3:43 am

#3184

Dr. HFH

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Quote:

Originally Posted by allset2travel

Before calling AA RTW desk, thought I'd ask it here first. Is it possible to actually book flight for that date?

Just curious, -- if people here say that it's not possible, are you not going to call and ask anyway?

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Dec 24, 2025 | 4:32 pm

#3185

allset2travel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by izzik

yes, but when is the first flight for the DONEx?

Cool.
First flight was Nov 29, 2025.

Dec 25, 2025 | 12:26 am

#3186

izzik

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Originally Posted by allset2travel

Cool.
First flight was Nov 29, 2025.

If that's your first flight then you definitely can't book anything on Dec 19,2026.
All flights must depart within a year.

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Dec 25, 2025 | 2:20 am

#3187

MoodLighting

Join Date: Jul 2025

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer

I tried to get SYD-HND-JFK on JL using several combinations of different dates, stopovers at HND, and transits at HND. Granted it was mid-November and I was looking at late March, so RTW D inventory may have been long gone. I was able to get SYD-HND on JL for a few dates over the latter half of March, but HND-JFK on JL was a no go for that entire timeframe. Plenty of availability on AA metal though.

Similar experience here though for HKG-SIN-HND-JFK, though a couple of months later than you in May. In the end I was able to get JL HND-LAX. Availability then opened up for HND-JFK in December. I ended up not making the change, as didn't want to incur a change fee. I noticed similar availability constraints for JL LHR-HND. D class seats to seem to be released closer in to travel, on some routes as little as a week or so ahead.

If anyone else is an EF subscriber, do please send them an email asking if POC can be added to its development backlog. I don't know whether it's even technically feasible for it to achieve.

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Dec 26, 2025 | 1:18 am

#3188

moral_low_ground

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Quote:

Originally Posted by paul4471

Not sure if you are aware but QF has recently recommenced the JNB-PER flights (3 x week) and AKL? Maybe QF has finally realised that PER flyers do want to go other intl destinations than just Europe.

Yes, thanks - was aware but sadly I land from Entebbe the day it flies so dont want to take the risk on a non connected ticket and the next day is not running so stuck with connecting thru SYD.

BTW, re my last post - (the FJ5252 one) - BA did move me back to the 1945 and now on QF655 (original flight but not on the code share portion) - so a good result

Dec 26, 2025 | 5:36 am

#3189

MoodLighting

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MoodLighting

If anyone else is an EF subscriber, do please send them an email asking if POC can be added to its development backlog. I don't know whether it's even technically feasible for it to achieve.

An email from EF confirms this is on its backlog and it hopes to offer this functionality sometime in 2026.

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Dec 26, 2025 | 8:57 pm

#3190

SPN Lifer

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post # 3178)

Airlines are playing with inventory based on Point of Commencement (POC), not on RTW per se. The origin of the 1st sector in your PNR sets the POC. EF does not have the ability to display availability based on POC but only Point of Sale (POS), which is less relevant these days.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoodLighting (Post # 3187)

If anyone else is an EF subscriber, do please send them an email asking if POC can be added to its development backlog. I don't know whether it's even technically feasible for it to achieve.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoodLighting (Post # 3189)

An email from EF confirms this is on its backlog and it hopes to offer this functionality sometime in 2026.

When ExpertFlyer (EF) has the ability to display availability based on Point of Commencement (POC) in addition to Point of Sale (POS), that will certainly help 'round the world (RTW) planning.

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Dec 29, 2025 | 8:37 pm

#3191

Cashew1977

Join Date: Jul 2016

Location: Melbourne

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Posts: 30

3 or 4 continents?

Hi experts... wondering if I am looking at a DONE3 or DONE4 for this type of routing?
OSL/HEL/LHR/PER/MEL/SYD/TBU/SYD/LAX/ATL/JFK/OSL

OSL/DOH(nostop)/PER/MEL/SYD/TBU/SYD/LAX/ATL/JFK/OSL

essentially can you use QF10 LHR to PER and if flying QR does viaDOH add a continent if not stopping over?

Thanks for your help!!!

Dec 29, 2025 | 8:39 pm

#3192

link2

Join Date: Dec 2024

Programs: BA Gold, SAS EBD

Posts: 303

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cashew1977

They're both DONE4.

Quote:

The continent of Europe-Middle East consists of 2 zones:
- Europe (including Algeria, Morocco, Russia west of the Urals and Tunisia)
- Middle East (including Egypt, Libya and Sudan)

(...)

Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface eg LON-SYD/MEL/PER vv, DOH-ADL/AKL/CBR/MEL/PER/SYD vv, is considered travelling via Asia.
Continents South West Pacific, Asia and Europe/Middle East must each be counted.

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Dec 29, 2025 | 9:01 pm

#3193

Cashew1977

Join Date: Jul 2016

Location: Melbourne

Programs: QF

Posts: 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by link2

They're both DONE4.

ok thanks.... is that still the case if on the QF LHR/PER direct flight (presuming can get a sest!!!)

Dec 29, 2025 | 9:05 pm

#3194

link2

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There's plenty of ambiguous wording in the rules, but the answer is clearly yes based on the fare rules I quoted:

Quote:

Travel between South West Pacific and Europe/Middle East on a single flight number/or by surface eg LON-SYD/MEL/PER vv, DOH-ADL/AKL/CBR/MEL/PER/SYD vv, is considered travelling via Asia.

It even cites the specific example of travelling on a direct LON-PER flight. It doesn't really get clearer than that.

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Dec 29, 2025 | 9:17 pm

#3195

Cashew1977

Join Date: Jul 2016

Location: Melbourne

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Quote:

Originally Posted by link2

There's plenty of ambiguous wording in the rules, but the answer is clearly yes based on the fare rules I quoted:

It even cites the specific example of travelling on a direct LON-PER flight. It doesn't really get clearer than that.

thank you! Thats super helpful!