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dvs7310 Dec 22, 2025 9:10 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37494139)
My understanding for an AA 001 ticket only BA carrier surcharges are charged.
My understanding for an QF 081 ticket QF & BA carrier surcharges are charged. The online OW booking tool often defaults to QF ticketing
[but may be incorrect]

I think on QF ticketed, the QF surcharge may depend on the point of origin. My very first one was ex-TYO QF plated, and I had SYD-DFW on QF with no noticeable surcharges on the ticket. ex-TYO (well ex-Japan) tends to be minimal across the board (though not zero). Similarly on an ex-Japan CX plated the year after, I had AKL-DFW, AA operated, QF coded with no extra surcharges.

I suspect on (potentially) high surcharge points of origin like OSL or what CAI used to be, it would have been far more variable. Then you have to be a lot more cognizant of plating carrier and / or marketing carrier.

moral_low_ground Dec 22, 2025 9:31 am


Originally Posted by izzik (Post 37495035)
This is a D fare and you need D availability.
6 seats open doesn't necessarily translate to D=6, so why the fuss? Codeshares change all the time and you can probably get a free rebooking,but now you are asking for space to be opened up which is different.you can probably get one business seat and one economy seat on the same flight.

Maybe you missed the point or else you think its ok that an airline can just move your flight to some other time that suits them ??? A job with BA surely beckons ;-)

choosethedrew Dec 22, 2025 9:47 am


Originally Posted by izzik (Post 37495035)
This is a D fare and you need D availability.
6 seats open doesn't necessarily translate to D=6, so why the fuss? Codeshares change all the time and you can probably get a free rebooking,but now you are asking for space to be opened up which is different.you can probably get one business seat and one economy seat on the same flight.

I'm not sure this is correct. BAs schedule change policy says rebook into the next available booking class in the same cabin, so if J is available but D is not, then the OP can push to rebook under J.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...df5ecfe281.jpg
EDIT: I see the time difference is less than two hours, which is the required threshold for the schedule change policy to kick in, so the OP has nowhere to go actually.

Mwenenzi Dec 22, 2025 11:12 am


.....- Fiji Airlines FJ 5252 so that was booked and confirmed.

FJ have now moved their code share FJ5252 to the earlier Qantas flight (QF653) which departs at 1830 and this was done quite a few weeks ago. My ba.com booking still shows my departure as FJ5252 at 1945 and I called BA again today to insist they correct the flight (having done so before with no result as they told me their systems were still showing 1945 departure not 1830).

Originally Posted by moral_low_ground (Post 37495218)
Maybe you missed the point or else you think its ok that an airline can just move your flight to some other time that suits them ??? A job with BA surely beckons ;-)

You are still on FJ5252, albeit a different time. Very common for airlines to have schedule changes. But yours is a very usual schedule change.

QF64 JNB-SYD SYD landing at 1430 is a quite time for SYD T1 arrivals. Transfer 2hrs international to domestic is tight. Will need to check, but I think its within the MCT.(90min?).3hrs is OK and 4hrs generous for afternoon T1 arrival. At SYD T1 domestic check in/bag drop desk can ask for earlier fight. Maybe ask for a later fight. Staff on that desk are more pragmatic and seem to have more discretion on the day than phone agents. I would stay on FJ5252.
If QF64 is late its QF's problem. A quick check SYD-PER QF655 usually listed as A330 and QF653 listed as B737.. The A330 a *lot* better. But aircraft type can change.

PHLGovFlyer Dec 22, 2025 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by BTA (Post 37493967)
Initially my thought was something like OSL-DOH-CPT(stop) then continue eastbound eventually to ORD. Maybe CPT-DOH-SYD-HND-JFK(stop), later doing ORD-LHR-OSL. Realizing that is only half of the segments I could fly, there is room for building it out much more.

About a month ago I booked something similar (OSL-DOH-SEZ-DOH-AKL-SYD-(AKL)-JFK-GRU-MIA-PHL-EYW-PHL-DFW-SFO-JFK-DOH-OSL) starting this March (many thanks to the FT folks that offered advice...). I booked it through the AA RTW desk, and also had the objective of maximizing earnings on AA. I originally tried to include a stop at HND, but it didn't work out due to extremely limited availability of RTW D on JL flights. IME you can see a ton of JL D availability on EF, but the AA desk can almost never access it as part of a RTW ticket.


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37494106)
FF earnings to AAdvantage is complicated. Dedicated thread--> https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...age-miles.html
AA RTW desk can book you an AA codeshare on other OW airline operated flight. But check if best for AA earnings.

QF fly SYD-(AKL)-JFK with a B787. Counts as 1 segment as 1 flight number.
Cannot see the logic of SYD & HND is you are not going to stop. For TYO be carefull with HND & NRT.

This. For maximizing AA earnings on longhaul QR, QF, and JL metal it's almost always better to use their Prime flight numbers versus an AA codeshare flight number. I was able to take advantage of the single segment SYD-AKL-JFK flight on QF, but availability was scarce. Prepare to be flexible with dates...


Originally Posted by BTA (Post 37494120)
I tend to default to Qatar flights based on past experiences. While researching this I had thought QF flights had higher fees, but both QF routes you mention would be unique in my flight map and the JFK flight would certainly qualify in the arbitrary “fun” category in my head.


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37494139)
My understanding for an AA 001 ticket only BA carrier surcharges are charged.
My understanding for an QF 081 ticket QF & BA carrier surcharges are charged. The online OW booking tool often defaults to QF ticketing
[but may be incorrect]


It's difficult for me to know exactly how much of the carrier fees on my ticket can be attributed to each flight/operating airline. However, I have a strong suspicion that the longhaul QF flight added considerably to the fee, and the QR flights had less impact. My trip is a DONE6 and I had almost $2500 in fees (ouch).

moral_low_ground Dec 22, 2025 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37495385)
You are still on FJ5252, albeit a different time. Very common for airlines to have schedule changes. But yours is a very usual schedule change.

QF64 JNB-SYD SYD landing at 1430 is a quite time for SYD T1 arrivals. Transfer 2hrs international to domestic is tight. Will need to check, but I think its within the MCT.(90min?).3hrs is OK and 4hrs generous for afternoon T1 arrival. At SYD T1 domestic check in/bag drop desk can ask for earlier fight. Maybe ask for a later fight. Staff on that desk are more pragmatic and seem to have more discretion on the day than phone agents. I would stay on FJ5252.
If QF64 is late its QF's problem. A quick check SYD-PER QF655 usually listed as A330 and QF653 listed as B737.. The A330 a *lot* better. But aircraft type can change.

Thanks - good to know that its (generally) quiet at 1430. I appreciate that I currently have 4 hours with the "new" schedule but an extra 1 hr 15 mins will be better especially as I really need to be in Perth the next day (but not life and death).

Mwenenzi Dec 22, 2025 3:50 pm


Originally Posted by moral_low_ground (Post 37495650)
Thanks - good to know that its (generally) quiet at 1430. I appreciate that I currently have 4 hours with the "new" schedule but an extra 1 hr 15 mins will be better especially as I really need to be in Perth the next day (but not life and death).

Look here --> https://www.sydneyairport.com.au/fli...&showAll=false
SYD T1 06:00 - 08:30 is very busy with long haul wide body aircraft.
Been to SYD before? ----> https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ocea...transport.html

Unionruler Dec 22, 2025 11:28 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37494139)
My understanding for an AA 001 ticket only BA carrier surcharges are charged.
My understanding for an QF 081 ticket QF & BA carrier surcharges are charged. The online OW booking tool often defaults to QF ticketing
[but may be incorrect]

Does anyone know this for QR plated, surcharge sensitive origins? Is it QR, QF & BA surcharges are charged?

izzik Dec 22, 2025 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by moral_low_ground (Post 37495218)
Maybe you missed the point or else you think its ok that an airline can just move your flight to some other time that suits them ??? A job with BA surely beckons ;-)

Actually, you misunderstood my post.
Please mind your manners.

percysmith Dec 23, 2025 1:57 am


Originally Posted by moral_low_ground (Post 37494998)
So................I presume I can "insist" they put me on QF 655 - as there are J seats available and its not my fault that Fiji Airlines moved their code share flight earlier. 4 hours is probably enough time to connect in Sydney (and make the 1830) but the JNB-SYD flight is on an A380 and I want as much time as possible to allow for any delays.


Originally Posted by izzik (Post 37495035)
This is a D fare and you need D availability.
6 seats open doesn't necessarily translate to D=6, so why the fuss? Codeshares change all the time and you can probably get a free rebooking,but now you are asking for space to be opened up which is different.you can probably get one business seat and one economy seat on the same flight.

Why would they protect you? Your retimed flight still meets I-D MCT in SYD (75 minutes). And having four hours is far more than any case that merits escalation.

Also, in the event your JNB-SYD is seriously delayed, QF will deal with it then? Not now.

MoodLighting Dec 23, 2025 9:16 am


Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer (Post 37495470)
About a month ago I booked something similar (OSL-DOH-SEZ-DOH-AKL-SYD-(AKL)-JFK-GRU-MIA-PHL-EYW-PHL-DFW-SFO-JFK-DOH-OSL) starting this March (many thanks to the FT folks that offered advice...). I booked it through the AA RTW desk, and also had the objective of maximizing earnings on AA. I originally tried to include a stop at HND, but it didn't work out due to extremely limited availability of RTW D on JL flights. IME you can see a ton of JL D availability on EF, but the AA desk can almost never access it as part of a RTW ticket.

I'll defer to some of the experts here though I believe this may have something to do with married segment logic. I've found availability changes for the better where there's a stopover, rather than transit. But you're right, JL does constrain its D class availability.

PHLGovFlyer Dec 23, 2025 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by MoodLighting (Post 37497017)
I'll defer to some of the experts here though I believe this may have something to do with married segment logic. I've found availability changes for the better where there's a stopover, rather than transit. But you're right, JL does constrain its D class availability.

I tried to get SYD-HND-JFK on JL using several combinations of different dates, stopovers at HND, and transits at HND. Granted it was mid-November and I was looking at late March, so RTW D inventory may have been long gone. I was able to get SYD-HND on JL for a few dates over the latter half of March, but HND-JFK on JL was a no go for that entire timeframe. Plenty of availability on AA metal though.

I was also unable to get AKL-JFK on QF on any of the dates I wanted, but was able to get SYD-AKL-JFK on QF on some of those dates. The airlines definitely play some games with their RTW inventory.

ernestnywang Dec 23, 2025 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer (Post 37495470)
About a month ago I booked something similar (OSL-DOH-SEZ-DOH-AKL-SYD-(AKL)-JFK-GRU-MIA-PHL-EYW-PHL-DFW-SFO-JFK-DOH-OSL) starting this March (many thanks to the FT folks that offered advice...). I booked it through the AA RTW desk, and also had the objective of maximizing earnings on AA. I originally tried to include a stop at HND, but it didn't work out due to extremely limited availability of RTW D on JL flights. IME you can see a ton of JL D availability on EF, but the AA desk can almost never access it as part of a RTW ticket.

This. For maximizing AA earnings on longhaul QR, QF, and JL metal it's almost always better to use their Prime flight numbers versus an AA codeshare flight number. I was able to take advantage of the single segment SYD-AKL-JFK flight on QF, but availability was scarce. Prepare to be flexible with dates...


Originally Posted by MoodLighting (Post 37497017)
I'll defer to some of the experts here though I believe this may have something to do with married segment logic. I've found availability changes for the better where there's a stopover, rather than transit. But you're right, JL does constrain its D class availability.


Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer (Post 37497293)
I tried to get SYD-HND-JFK on JL using several combinations of different dates, stopovers at HND, and transits at HND. Granted it was mid-November and I was looking at late March, so RTW D inventory may have been long gone. I was able to get SYD-HND on JL for a few dates over the latter half of March, but HND-JFK on JL was a no go for that entire timeframe. Plenty of availability on AA metal though.

I was also unable to get AKL-JFK on QF on any of the dates I wanted, but was able to get SYD-AKL-JFK on QF on some of those dates. The airlines definitely play some games with their RTW inventory.

Airlines are playing with inventory based on Point of Commencement (POC), not on RTW per se. The origin of the 1st sector in your PNR sets the POC. EF does not have the ability to display availability based on POC but only Point of Sale (POS), which is less relevant these days.

link2 Dec 23, 2025 1:21 pm

On the topic of JL availability, does anyone know why a JL flight that appears to be wide open (D9) both on EF and to the AA RTW desk would come back "unconfirmed" every time they tried to book it? I've been trying to switch from JL38 to JL36 for months with no success, and with the departure date approaching (February) the situation seems unlikely to improve.

I suspected it might be a POC thing but that doesn't explain why the agents are seeing availability only to then fail to book the flight...

allset2travel Dec 23, 2025 2:06 pm

Possible to book flight for DONEx for Dec 19,2026?
 
Currently trying to make date change for a DONEx. On EF, I saw schedule up to Dec 19, 2026.
Before calling AA RTW desk, thought I'd ask it here first. Is it possible to actually book flight for that date?
TIA


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