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Originally Posted by link2
(Post 37405841)
Yes of course, subject to availability.
Booking codeshares is where it gets dicey. Availability can be different and there might be traffic restrictions that prevent you from booking a particular codeshare unless it connects to an international flight. Or in some other cases, it's the opposite - some can only be booked with a stopover. It's pretty random and unless you have access to a GDS there's no way to know in advance what the rules are going to be. Additionally, for AA metal the AA RTW desk will only book you on the prime (AA) code, and even for non-AA-operated flights some agents might require some convincing before they'll book you on a codeshare. (Usually mentioning that you're not crediting to AAdvantage helps)
Originally Posted by henry999
(Post 37406023)
In that case, why not PHL-DOH-OSL (AA/QR)?
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Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
(Post 37406597)
Interesting thought. It does add quite a bit of time to the last trip to OSL, but it would boost earnings to AA. My concern is that I don't think AA or QR will sell that routing at all.
I suggest forgetting whatever you have previously read and starting from scratch. Start with sharing the routing you want, with designated stopovers vs connections, and where you want to credit your miles. |
Originally Posted by izzik
(Post 37406629)
OK, don't take this the wrong way but it sounds like there are some incorrect assumptions about how DONEx works... to be expected if this is your first time booking.
I suggest forgetting whatever you have previously read and starting from scratch. Start with sharing the routing you want, with designated stopovers vs connections, and where you want to credit your miles. The routing is as above: OSL-DOH-SEZ (QR) ~March 4 SEZ-DOH-AKL (QR) ~March 11 AKL-SYD (QF) ~March 16 SYD-HND-JFK (JL) ~March 18 JFK-GRU (AA) September 2026 GRU-MIA-PHL (AA) September 2026 PHL-SEA-STS (AS) November 2026 STS-DFW-PHL (AA) November 2026 PHL-LHR-OSL (AA/BA) early March 2027 The stops are at each line break in the above: SEZ, AKL, SYD, JFK, GRU, PHL, STS, and PHL. Henry999 suggested potentially swapping PHL-DOH-OSL on the return to OSL, and it has some merits if it can be booked. I just don't have an understanding/experience with how the RTW booking process works, and what options there are relative to the usual purchase methods. Can you just spoon feed an AA RTW agent individual flights like PHL-DOH and DOH-OSL and they'll book them even though no airline would regularly sell that combination? I understand that those flights technically meet the xONEx rules... I've also been checking D availability on the JL flights for SYD-HND-JFK, and EF shows no availability when searching for SYD-JFK with married segments. However, EF shows a good amount of D availability for SYD-HND, and for HND-JFK when those legs are searched separately. If I add a day or two stop at HND does that potentially solve the married segment D availability issue? |
Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
(Post 37406786)
The stops are at each line break in the above: SEZ, AKL, SYD, JFK, GRU, PHL, STS, and PHL. . . . I've also been checking D availability on the JL flights for SYD-HND-JFK, and EF shows no availability when searching for SYD-JFK with married segments. However, EF shows a good amount of D availability for SYD-HND, and for HND-JFK when those legs are searched separately. If I add a day or two stop at HND does that potentially solve the married segment D availability issue?
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 37406798)
If you're not looking for a stop at TYO, why not SYD-JFK on QF 3/AA 7284 and save the segment for use elsewhere, to grab some extra miles, if nothing else. I just did some random checks, and EF reports D space available on most days.
So SYD-JFK on QF3 only counts as one segment even though it stops at AKL? As an alternative I could just skip SYD altogether, take QF3 from AKL-JFK, and add another destination in South America later in the year. |
Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
(Post 37406786)
No offense taken, and yes, I'm obviously a bit behind the eight ball...
The routing is as above: OSL-DOH-SEZ (QR) ~March 4 SEZ-DOH-AKL (QR) ~March 11 AKL-SYD (QF) ~March 16 SYD-HND-JFK (JL) ~March 18 JFK-GRU (AA) September 2026 GRU-MIA-PHL (AA) September 2026 PHL-SEA-STS (AS) November 2026 STS-DFW-PHL (AA) November 2026 PHL-LHR-OSL (AA/BA) early March 2027 The stops are at each line break in the above: SEZ, AKL, SYD, JFK, GRU, PHL, STS, and PHL. Henry999 suggested potentially swapping PHL-DOH-OSL on the return to OSL, and it has some merits if it can be booked. I just don't have an understanding/experience with how the RTW booking process works, and what options there are relative to the usual purchase methods. Can you just spoon feed an AA RTW agent individual flights like PHL-DOH and DOH-OSL and they'll book them even though no airline would regularly sell that combination? I understand that those flights technically meet the xONEx rules... I've also been checking D availability on the JL flights for SYD-HND-JFK, and EF shows no availability when searching for SYD-JFK with married segments. However, EF shows a good amount of D availability for SYD-HND, and for HND-JFK when those legs are searched separately. If I add a day or two stop at HND does that potentially solve the married segment D availability issue? Breaking up your journey into stopovers will address the married segment issue, as long as there is enough time between flights. Ignore what you think normal ticketing would do for routing. As long as there is availability in D visible to whomever is booking your ticket, accounting for married segments if applicable, and the routing meets the xONEx rules.. then you can fly the segments you want. That's all that matters here. |
Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
(Post 37406597)
The good news is that I'm not planning any codeshare flights (if possible). Basically, all flights will have prime flight numbers based on operating metal.
Interesting thought. It does add quite a bit of time to the last trip to OSL, but it would boost earnings to AA. My concern is that I don't think AA or QR will sell that routing at all.
Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
(Post 37406817)
I had considered the SYD-JFK flight on QF, however, the points earnings to AA are a fair amount less, and I'd like to try JL Biz class. If flying JL via HND doesn't work out the QF flight is my next best option.
So SYD-JFK on QF3 only counts as one segment even though it stops at AKL? As an alternative I could just skip SYD altogether, take QF3 from AKL-JFK, and add another destination in South America later in the year. QF3 SYD-(AKL)-JFK counts as 1 segment as 1 flight number, without a stopover. Just as BA16 SYD-(SIN)-LHR and QF1 SYD-(SIN)-LHR count as 1 segment, even though 3 OW continents. AA forum--> https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...age-miles.html |
Originally Posted by izzik
(Post 37406876)
I'm guessing you are crediting to AA, based on your earlier comments.
Originally Posted by izzik
(Post 37406876)
With maybe one exception, any AA-coded flights will not give you much in LPs. Can you fly DFW-NYC instead of PHL.. then make your way to Philadelphia on your own (outside of the DONE6).. then travel back to NYC.. that way you can fly NYC-DOH-OSL on QR flights.
Originally Posted by izzik
(Post 37406876)
Breaking up your journey into stopovers will address the married segment issue, as long as there is enough time between flights.
Ignore what you think normal ticketing would do for routing. As long as there is availability in D visible to whomever is booking your ticket, accounting for married segments if applicable, and the routing meets the xONEx rules.. then you can fly the segments you want. That's all that matters here. |
Hello, I would like to share my recent experience with One World booking.
I planned to fly from CGK to SCL via DOH and GRU (the itinerary would be CGK - DOH - GRU - SCL), the CGK - DOH - GRU segments will be flown on QR but the GRU - SCL segment will be flown on LATAM, all in one single ticket. Qatar Airways has 3 flights from CGK - DOH (QR 955, 957 and 959). If I tried to start my journey on flight QR 959, I will always be directed to DOH - MAD on QR 151 and MAD - SCL on Iberia IB 117. It seems that only QR 955 and 957 can be used to avoid flying with Iberia. Any idea why? Is this one of T&Cs of QR's partnership with IB? |
LATAM is not a oneworld member so I think you'll find you can't include it on a oneworld Explorer (which I assume is what you're trying to book).
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I was booked on QR 957, QR 773 and LA 753 with the assistance of QR agent...so the inability to select QR 959 is more perplexing for me...
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XJ033858JH Welcome to FT & OW forum
Originally Posted by XJ033858JH
(Post 37409834)
Hello, I would like to share my recent experience with One World booking.
I planned to fly from CGK to SCL via DOH and GRU (the itinerary would be CGK - DOH - GRU - SCL), the CGK - DOH - GRU segments will be flown on QR but the GRU - SCL segment will be flown on LATAM, all in one single ticket. Qatar Airways has 3 flights from CGK - DOH (QR 955, 957 and 959). If I tried to start my journey on flight QR 959, I will always be directed to DOH - MAD on QR 151 and MAD - SCL on Iberia IB 117. It seems that only QR 955 and 957 can be used to avoid flying with Iberia. Any idea why? Is this one of T&Cs of QR's partnership with IB?
Originally Posted by XJ033858JH
(Post 37409931)
I was booked on QR 957, QR 773 and LA 753 with the assistance of QR agent...so the inability to select QR 959 is more perplexing for me...
As LATAM is no longer a OW member you cannot have a OW booking. Just something QR or a TA assembled Your questions better asked in QR forum --> https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qata...lege-club-644/ |
Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
(Post 37407423)
I can definitely route all of the east coast US flights to/from JFK, and JFK-DOH-OSL on QR has a lot of appeal. However, I thought that if I book through the AA RTW desk I'd need to have at least one of the transoceanic flights on AA metal/codeshare?
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Thought I'd follow up on my earlier posts about my DONE booking.
I ended up using the AA RTW desk to book. I called a few days ago and the agent struggled to get what I needed and seemed to not really be fully aware of the rules or booking practices. It took about 2.5 hours on the phone and I ended up booking: OSL-DOH-SEZ (QR) stopover SEZ-DOH-MEL (QR) connecting to MEL-ZQN (QF) stopover ZQN-SYD (QF with AA codeshare flight number) stopover SYD-HND (JL) stopover HND-JFK (AA) stopover JFK-GRU (AA) stopover GRU-JFK (AA) stopover JFK-SEA-STS (AS) stopover STS-DFW-JFK (AA) stopover JFK-DOH-OSL (QR) It priced out as a DONE6 with about $1500 in taxes and carrier fees. Many of the dates I originally wanted weren't available, and I was forced onto AA metal and codeshares where I didn't really want them, so I ended up cancelling the booking, re-configuring the trip, and calling again. The next agent I dealt with was superb. She had no issues getting every flight I wanted and the entire call took 18 minutes. I booked: OSL-DOH-SEZ (QR) stopover SEZ-DOH-AKL (QR) stopover AKL-SYD (QF) stopover SYD-JFK (QF) stopover JFK-GRU (AA) stopover GRU-MIA-PHL (AA) stopover PHL-EYW (AA) stopover EYW-PHL (AA) stopover PHL-DFW-SFO (AA) stopover SFO-JFK (AS) stopover JFK-DOH-OSL (QR) It priced out as a DONE6 with about $2500 in taxes and carrier fees. Any idea why the carrier imposed fees are almost $1000 higher for the second itinerary compared to the first one? Any suggestions for lowering them? And yes, I know that flying PHL-EYW-PHL on a DONE is a bit of a waste. It became a target of opportunity because I had 2 segments to use and I knew I would be taking the trip. And thanks again for all of the suggestions and guidance. I suspect that I'll be doing a lot more of these! |
It's the longhaul QF segment that's driving up your carrier fees... suggest dropping the EYW sidetrip altogether and going JL SYD-HND, overnight stopover, then JL HND-JFK.. JL has surcharges too, but not as bad as QF. It should be approx $325 total in fees with JL on those 2 segments... and you'll rack up way more LPs with a JL code.
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