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izzik Mar 7, 2024 8:10 pm


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36062006)
I tried using the oneworld tool to set up a QF ticketed DONE5 but the system keeps on trying to force it to a DGLOB fare and telling me the miles are over even though the segments are only 15 and everything else seems in order. Is there some way to stop this happening or something I am doing wrong. Are you using the new beta tool or the old to arrange these?:

CAI-xAMM-xDOH-DPS-xKUL-NRT-xHKG-YVR-DFW-IAH-xDFW-SCL,GRU-xJFK-HEL-DOH

If I had to guess, the tool doesn't like open jaw (ie, ending with a surface segment even though it's legal). If it encounters these kinds of quirks, it throws back a meaningless error like "too many miles".
I know this sounds crazy but did you try the AI-powered booking tool?


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36062064)
I've never gotten anything with RJ out of CAI to move to ticketing...that may be your issue.

Actually, I have gotten CAI-AMM-ORD on RJ move to ticketing, so that's not the issue either.

paul4471 Mar 7, 2024 8:24 pm

[QUOTE=izzik;36062430]If I had to guess, the tool doesn't like open jaw (ie, ending with a surface segment even though it's legal). If it encounters these kinds of quirks, it throws back a meaningless error like "too many miles".

Yep thanks so much that was it - the open jaw at the end! Time to get routing exact now.

steveholt Mar 7, 2024 8:33 pm


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36062064)
I've never gotten anything with RJ out of CAI to move to ticketing...that may be your issue.

I've gotten a RJ CAI-AMM followed by QR AMM-DOH-JFK and eventually ending with AKL-DOH-DXB as an open jaw to price out without getting the unexplained error at the end of the flight selection process, although I haven't actually tried to ticket as of yet.

wandering_fred Mar 7, 2024 10:10 pm

Perhaps CAi is not considered part of the Middle East and would not satisfy the ending requirement (within the Middle East)
Keep wandering
Fred

jerry a. laska Mar 8, 2024 12:43 am


Originally Posted by wandering_fred (Post 36062667)
Perhaps CAi is not considered part of the Middle East and would not satisfy the ending requirement (within the Middle East)
Keep wandering
Fred

Egypt is part of the ME for purposes of Oneworld explorer tickets.
From the rules:

The continent of Europe-Middle East consists of 2 zones:
o Europe (including Algeria, Morocco, Russia west of the Urals and Tunisia)
​​​​​​​o Middle East (including Egypt, Libya and Sudan)

paul4471 Mar 9, 2024 12:27 am

Hi Guys, For anyone looking at booking the CAI fares a point of reference. After a lot of messing with the tool I was successfully able to book the following itin:
CAI-MAD-DOH-DPS-KUL-TYO-CTS-HKG-PER-SYD-DFW-SEA-DFW-SCL,GRU-DOH
Total cost for 2 pax - $12,254AUD (base fare $4,444AUD each) - QF ticketed
approx $4050USD all in for a DONE5.
Can't imagine this will be around for long at that price

ironmanjt Mar 9, 2024 12:40 am


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36065474)
Hi Guys, For anyone looking at booking the CAI fares a point of reference. After a lot of messing with the tool I was successfully able to book the following itin:
CAI-MAD-DOH-DPS-KUL-TYO-CTS-HKG-PER-SYD-DFW-SEA-DFW-SCL,GRU-DOH
Total cost for 2 pax - $12,254AUD (base fare $4,444AUD each) - QF ticketed
approx $4050USD all in for a DONE5.
Can't imagine this will be around for long at that price

for future reference it would be helpful to list which are connections and which are stops. Enjoy the trip!!

kayzng Mar 9, 2024 4:07 am


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36065474)
Hi Guys, For anyone looking at booking the CAI fares a point of reference. After a lot of messing with the tool I was successfully able to book the following itin:
CAI-MAD-DOH-DPS-KUL-TYO-CTS-HKG-PER-SYD-DFW-SEA-DFW-SCL,GRU-DOH
Total cost for 2 pax - $12,254AUD (base fare $4,444AUD each) - QF ticketed
approx $4050USD all in for a DONE5.
Can't imagine this will be around for long at that price

Hi, I was trying the get an itinerary out from xCai too. Can you please share from these 16 segments, which are stops which are transit?

paul4471 Mar 9, 2024 7:42 am

Yeah sorry please see below

CAI-xMAD-xDOH-DPS-xKUL-TYO-CTS-xHKG-PER-SYD-DFW-SEA-xDFW-SCL,GRU-DOH

I can say for sure that the system would allow MAD as as stopover if needed. I tried SCL-LHR-CAI with and without it as a stopover and wouldn't work. I tried various options for a stopover in Europe on return and would not allow it kept saying I could only have 2 stopovers in origin region even when I had no stopovers in Europe middle east.

I also couldn't get it to allow the final sector of DOH-CAI so left it as open jaw. Easy enough to pay final flight there if there's still good options out of CAi next year.

I also tried SEA-DFW-SCL in various combinations and it failed but when I put in SEA-SCL it allowed it. Might be me but I couldn't see anything wrong with it.

I also tried to have ANC in my itin but everything I tried failed I could get there but always told me the return was more than 2 sectors with ANC in it. Made no sense but I gave up.

The other transit points on my itn I did not try as stopovers as did not need to stop but I suspect they would have been OK.

Hope that helps

kayzng Mar 9, 2024 8:03 am


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36066006)
Yeah sorry please see below

CAI-xMAD-xDOH-DPS-xKUL-TYO-CTS-xHKG-PER-SYD-DFW-SEA-xDFW-SCL,GRU-DOH

I can say for sure that the system would allow MAD as as stopover if needed. I tried SCL-LHR-CAI with and without it as a stopover and wouldn't work. I tried various options for a stopover in Europe on return and would not allow it kept saying I could only have 2 stopovers in origin region even when I had no stopovers in Europe middle east.

I also couldn't get it to allow the final sector of DOH-CAI so left it as open jaw. Easy enough to pay final flight there if there's still good options out of CAi next year.

I also tried SEA-DFW-SCL in various combinations and it failed but when I put in SEA-SCL it allowed it. Might be me but I couldn't see anything wrong with it.

I also tried to have ANC in my itin but everything I tried failed I could get there but always told me the return was more than 2 sectors with ANC in it. Made no sense but I gave up.

The other transit points on my itn I did not try as stopovers as did not need to stop but I suspect they would have been OK.

Hope that helps

Thanks, for SCL - GRU, are you using separate tickets?

kayzng Mar 9, 2024 8:11 am

Hi, first time trying this, not sure if the nomenclature all correct, please bear with me
Sharing my routes for DONE3 xCai
1. CAI - JFK (RJ xAMM)
2. NWK - LAX (AS)
3. LAX - DFW (AA)
4. DFW - SFO (AA)
5. SFO - KUL (CX xHKG)
6. KUL - ICN (MH)
7. ICN - HND (JL)
8. NRT - KUL (MH)
9. KUL - VIE (QR xDOH)
10. VIE - DOH (QR)
11. DOH - CAI (QR)

Questions,
1. I tried to add ANC into my US segment, but couldnt get it work, any advice?
2. Any chances to add more cities between 6 - 8, ie KUL - INC - Tokyo - KUL
3. In my final segment to CAI, initially I want to do VIE - CAI (xDOH), but system doesn't this, instead, it recommend me to add cities, either Doha, Madrid, or London.

paul4471 Mar 9, 2024 8:14 am


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36066034)
Thanks, for SCL - GRU, are you using separate tickets?

Yes I'll make way separately between SCL and GDU.
Unless I'm mistaken there are no bookable OW options intra-South America on. XONEX ticket with maybe the exception of EZE-GRU on QR. Not sure if this can be booked as a standalone sector. It's prob as bad as Africa now for OW routes.

paul4471 Mar 9, 2024 8:22 am


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36066053)
Hi, first time trying this, not sure if the nomenclature all correct, please bear with me
Sharing my routes for DONE3 xCai
1. CAI - JFK (RJ xAMM)
2. NWK - LAX (AS)
3. LAX - DFW (AA)
4. DFW - SFO (AA)
5. SFO - KUL (CX xHKG)
6. KUL - ICN (MH)
7. ICN - HND (JL)
8. NRT - KUL (MH)
9. KUL - VIE (QR xDOH)
10. VIE - DOH (QR)
11. DOH - CAI (QR)

Questions,
1. I tried to add ANC into my US segment, but couldnt get it work, any advice?
2. Any chances to add more cities between 6 - 8, ie KUL - INC - Tokyo - KUL
3. In my final segment to CAI, initially I want to do VIE - CAI (xDOH), but system doesn't this, instead, it recommend me to add cities, either Doha, Madrid, or London.

Just quickly on 2 no not possible you already have the Max 4 Asia sectors. You can add 2 more segments in the US as you are allowed 6 there but no more transcons.
Sounds like you hit similar ANC problem as me

jerry a. laska Mar 9, 2024 9:44 am


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36066053)
Hi, first time trying this, not sure if the nomenclature all correct, please bear with me
Sharing my routes for DONE3 xCai
1. CAI - JFK (RJ xAMM)
2. NWK - LAX (AS)
3. LAX - DFW (AA)
4. DFW - SFO (AA)
5. SFO - KUL (CX xHKG)
6. KUL - ICN (MH)
7. ICN - HND (JL)
8. NRT - KUL (MH)
9. KUL - VIE (QR xDOH)
10. VIE - DOH (QR)
11. DOH - CAI (QR)

Questions,
1. I tried to add ANC into my US segment, but couldnt get it work, any advice?
2. Any chances to add more cities between 6 - 8, ie KUL - INC - Tokyo - KUL
3. In my final segment to CAI, initially I want to do VIE - CAI (xDOH), but system doesn't this, instead, it recommend me to add cities, either Doha, Madrid, or London.

You are using up 2 of your allotted 16 segments by changing airports in NYC (JFK to EWR) and TYO (NRT to HND).

AA JFK-LAX will be a better choice than AS EWR-LAX; better lounges at JFK and AS seats are only recliner.

zoombee Mar 9, 2024 11:45 am


Originally Posted by paul4471 (Post 36066006)
Yeah sorry please see below

CAI-xMAD-xDOH-DPS-xKUL-TYO-CTS-xHKG-PER-SYD-DFW-SEA-xDFW-SCL,GRU-DOH
<snip>

Did you have issues with the itinerary exceeds 34,000 miles bug and if so what sorted it? I've tried a variation on your routing:

CAI-xMAD-xDOH-DPS-xHKG-PER-SYD-DFW-ANC-LAX-JFK-EZE,GRU-xDOH-HEL-DXB

and it says it's valid on the build page (with well over 34k miles of course), then lets me pick all the flights but won't let me go further due to the 34k "limit".

Same issue with this routing so it's not an ANC problem:
CAI-xMAD-xDOH-DPS-xHKG-PER-SYD-DFW-LAX-JFK-EZE,GRU-xDOH-HEL-DXB

Likewise with this routing so it's not about the end of the itin either:
CAI-xMAD-xDOH-DPS-xHKG-PER-SYD-DFW-LAX-JFK-EZE,GRU-DOH

And likewise with this routing so it's not about the transcon:
CAI-xMAD-xDOH-DPS-xHKG-PER-SYD-DFW-JFK-EZE,GRU-DOH


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