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izzik Mar 11, 2024 8:03 am


Originally Posted by UserMark (Post 36070491)
This is true, from what I found in Sabre. It looks like the QR flight number is allowed to be in A for the DONEx fares, but not the AA flight number. If you use the AA flight number, it prices as AONEx. Of course any airline can override that, but apparenty QF does not want to.

We all know that isn't true, but not much you can do if QF says that and you want QF to ticket it.

this last part is key -- if Qantas misinterprets the fare rules, you are stuck. I gave up on ex CAI because of ridiculous QF agents and now I'm basically paying "extra" to book ex OSL with AA .. I consider it a knowledge surcharge.

kayzng Mar 11, 2024 8:35 am

Just sharing update, once I click "Book Itinerary" with credit card details, it send me to confirmation page with PNR.
It mentioned that e-ticket will be issued upon payment finalized.

izzik Mar 11, 2024 8:47 am


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36070740)
Few points:

When I was dealing with a medical issue a few weeks back QF confirmed to me the refund charge is 5% of the base fare - 100% of taxes would get refunded. So you might need to HUCA, but right now looks like refund charge is < 200 USD.

Does anyone have a list of what jacks the YR/YQ charges? So far, it seems to be:
  • any BA segment (using AT or IB out of CAI lowers it significantly)
  • any QR segment
  • any QF segment - especially longhauls

Using the Oneworld tool, I've seen higher costs with BA/AA CAI-LHR-USA vs BA/BA. The OW site was also telling me it was more expensive to pick AA/AA for ORD-LAX-SYD than AA/QF. I'm sure it's buried in the fare rules somewhere.

kayzng Mar 11, 2024 8:57 am


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36070740)
Few points:

When I was dealing with a medical issue a few weeks back QF confirmed to me the refund charge is 5% of the base fare - 100% of taxes would get refunded. So you might need to HUCA, but right now looks like refund charge is < 200 USD.

Does anyone have a list of what jacks the YR/YQ charges? So far, it seems to be:
  • any BA segment (using AT or IB out of CAI lowers it significantly)
  • any QR segment
  • any QF segment - especially longhauls

I was playing around in the manual page,
- BA certainly add a few hundreds AUD
- QR add as well, but lesser than BA
- when I switch from RJ to IB in CAI - Europe, almost 1k reduction
- for my KUL - TYO segment, switching from JL to MH save about 300
- taking any segment that requires QR to upgrade to first class, will add 6-7k.
all these on 2 pax pricing

Alan T Mar 11, 2024 10:20 am

Changes to existing RTW with CAI fares
 
Hi all.

I booked a DONE5 out of OSL for later in the year (Oct/Nov) in December, with BA.

I am considering asking them to price a change both to starting from CAI and an upgrade to an AONE4 given the fares available from CAI.

From reading the fare rules this looks possible but just wanted to get the view of the experienced RTWers before I try, assuming the fares last that long?

Cheers.

steveholt Mar 11, 2024 11:38 am


Originally Posted by CargoHoldFlyer (Post 36070152)
So I've been playing around with this quite a bit, with the online tool, SABRE and with the AA desk. ex-CAI different airlines have published different fares. It appears QR and AA have published fares in USD while the rest are publishing in EGP. Further, it appears that the fare selected is based on the "dominant" carrier, which seems to be the first overwater/long-haul carrier OR the first carrier. For me here's what I saw:

CAI-xDOH-DXB-xLHR-PMI-xMAD-DFW-GRU-JFK-xHKG-DXB - priced out at USD $6K+
but changing it to
CAI-xLHR-PMI-xMAD-DFW-GRU-JFK-xHKG-DXB (and ensuring that I only use BA, IB and CX for the over water segments) - priced this at $3442. (validating on CX)

If I used the AA flight from MAD to DFW - it prices using AA base fare (>$7k), if I use QR in the first segment it uses QR base fare (>$5k).

With these restrictions in mind - I was able to get the AA desk to price the itinerary at around $3,800 (validating/ticketing on AA) - higher YQ and taxes but perhaps worth it to deal with the AA RTW.

Good luck

I'm not sure. My first overwater flight was on BA, and my routing began CAI-LHR-JFK (or CAI-AMM-DOH-JFK originally), but I was always pushed to QF by the tool, which always initially began the pricing process as I would start picking flights in AUD. The longest flight in my itinerary was on QF, so perhaps that's why they chose QF, but my read has been that the tool seems to prefer QF as the default ticketing airline.

steveholt Mar 11, 2024 11:45 am


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36070639)
Hold up, which itinerary were you able to get AA to price at $3800? I was looking at one yesterday that QF would have been ticketing for closer to $4800 so didn't bite. For $3800 I would. Would be looking at a DONE4 just like you have posted but would be doing Africa instead of South America. But I'd want JL and QR for my long segments intra-Asia and to/from Asia. Will have to suck it up and take an AA overwater, maybe MAD or LHR to get AA to ticket it.

I was able to get CAI-LHR-JFK-LAX-DFW-JFK-SYD-DOH-DXB booked for $6021 AUD, which is about $3975 US.

ironmanjt Mar 11, 2024 11:55 am


Originally Posted by steveholt (Post 36071385)
I was able to get CAI-LHR-JFK-LAX-DFW-JFK-SYD-DOH-DXB booked for $6021 AUD, which is about $3975 US.

Lowest I've seen is about 5400 AUD, and highest is around 7500 AUD...the difference is all YQ/YF...

steveholt Mar 11, 2024 11:56 am


Originally Posted by ironmanjt (Post 36070740)
Few points:

When I was dealing with a medical issue a few weeks back QF confirmed to me the refund charge is 5% of the base fare - 100% of taxes would get refunded. So you might need to HUCA, but right now looks like refund charge is < 200 USD.

Does anyone have a list of what jacks the YR/YQ charges? So far, it seems to be:
  • any BA segment (using AT or IB out of CAI lowers it significantly)
  • any QR segment
  • any QF segment - especially longhauls

The QF fuel surcharges are on ex-US flights on AA-ticketed RTWs. I didn't experience the same inflation (about $1K) on my QF-ticketed RTW. I also found that CAI-LHR-JFK on BA was several hundred dollars cheaper than CAI-AMM-JFK on RJ and a thousand dollars cheaper than CAI-MAD-JFK on IB as opposed to CAI-LHR-JFK on BA.

ironmanjt Mar 11, 2024 11:58 am


Originally Posted by steveholt (Post 36071425)
The QF fuel surcharges are on ex-US flights on AA-ticketed RTWs. I didn't experience the same inflation (about $1K) on my QF-ticketed RTW. I also found that CAI-LHR-JFK on BA was several hundred dollars cheaper than CAI-AMM-JFK on RJ and a thousand dollars cheaper than CAI-MAD-JFK on IB as opposed to CAI-LHR-JFK on BA.

FYI, I've found AY to be the absolute lowest charges for transatlantics. I'm a bit surprised everyone seems to be skipping stops in Europe...

LilZeppelin Mar 11, 2024 1:27 pm


Originally Posted by danger (Post 36070333)
I asked Qantas to price the following DONE4:

CAI-xDOH-DFW-xANC (AA codes)
ANC-ORD
ORD-SJU
SJU-CLT
CLT-MEX
MEX-JFK
JFK-SYD
SYD-BLR
BLR-KUL
KUL-HKG (CX)
HKG-xLHR-CDG (BA)
CDG-xDOH-AMM (QR)... Qantas said I must end in CAI. The agent I spoke with was fully aware of the Middle East exception (among the others) but he insisted five "senior ticketing agents" had all looked at the rules and said I must in CAI. More concerning, he said the oneworld desk also supported that position.

The rules define Middle East as Egypt Sudan Libia not Jordan.I suppose Jordan is in Asia.
"The continent of Europe-Middle East consists of 2 zones: o Europe (including Algeria, Morocco, Russia west of the Urals and Tunisia) o Middle East (including Egypt, Libya and Sudan) "

jerry a. laska Mar 11, 2024 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by LilZeppelin (Post 36071645)
The rules define Middle East as Egypt Sudan Libia not Jordan.I suppose Jordan is in Asia.
"The continent of Europe-Middle East consists of 2 zones: o Europe (including Algeria, Morocco, Russia west of the Urals and Tunisia) o Middle East (including Egypt, Libya and Sudan) "

Jordan is in the Middle East for purposes of these tickets and as part of IATA TC2; "Egypt, Libya and Sudan" are listed as included in the Middle East as they geographically would normally be part of Africa.

dvs7310 Mar 11, 2024 7:58 pm


Originally Posted by jerry a. laska (Post 36071739)
Jordan is in the Middle East for purposes of these tickets and as part of IATA TC2; "Egypt, Libya and Sudan" are listed as included in the Middle East as they geographically would normally be part of Africa.

To that point, it's the entire band of countries across North Africa including Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia as well.

danger Mar 11, 2024 8:07 pm


Originally Posted by dvs7310 (Post 36072689)
To that point, it's the entire band of countries across North Africa including Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia as well.

Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia are part of the continent of Europe/Middle East, but in the Europe zone, meaning you can't begin in, say, Egypt and end in one of these countries.

pandaperth Mar 11, 2024 8:53 pm

Qantas FAQ page for RTW bookings
 
FWIW I see QF has an FAQ page for RTW bookings.
Questions about your round the world (qantas.com)

There isn't much on the page, but does provide an SMS number (0477QANTAS) to use when making enquiries (I think it's only for existing bookings, not to discuss planned bookings)
Note: if you are outside Australia, then the number is +61477QANTAS

Given that the on-line booking tool appears to default to QF for bookings, this may be useful.


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