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kayzng Mar 11, 2024 12:11 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 36070012)
Very nice. Your low taxes got me looking into mine. If I've understood them correctly, CAI-xDOH has a combined YQ and YR of AUD1060, but having a stop in DOH drops it to just AUD655.

I am new to this, what is YR and YQ?

danger Mar 11, 2024 12:12 am


Originally Posted by steveholt (Post 36070017)
You can't fly QR as the first leg of your RTW.

What rule is that?


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36070022)
I am new to this, what is YR and YQ?

Carrier surcharges, typically fuel fines.

pandaperth Mar 11, 2024 12:44 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 36069979)
Did you ticket with QF? QF is pricing a DONE4 for me ex-CAI. The first quote was over AUD14K, despite QF correctly quoting the base fare as AUD43xx so it's being looked at again.

Yes, the tool did the booking with QF (I'm yet to get the ticket)


Are you certain it's only 5% of the base fare and not the whole thing?
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From the rule sheet
16. VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
...
(b) Cancellations and Refunds
1. After ticket issuance - Cancellation/No Show Forfeit 10% of ticketed fare for Economy Class fares Forfeit 5% of ticketed fare for Business/First Class fares
...
I have always taken this to mean 5% of the base fare and full refund of the taxes and surcharges., Perhaps I'm mistaken? (I never cancelled a RTW ticket before)

pandaperth Mar 11, 2024 12:47 am


Originally Posted by steveholt (Post 36070017)
You can't fly QR as the first leg of your RTW.


Originally Posted by danger (Post 36070026)
What rule is that?

It's not a rule, meaning part of the fare rules
but it is a known restriction of the on-line booking tool

So, you can have a QR flight as the first flight, but then you cannot book it using the tool.

danger Mar 11, 2024 12:51 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36070045)
Yes, the tool did the booking with QF (I'm yet to get the ticket)


From the rule sheet
16. VOLUNTARY CHANGES / REROUTING / PENALTIES
...
(b) Cancellations and Refunds
1. After ticket issuance - Cancellation/No Show Forfeit 10% of ticketed fare for Economy Class fares Forfeit 5% of ticketed fare for Business/First Class fares
...
I have always taken this to mean 5% of the base fare and full refund of the taxes and surcharges., Perhaps I'm mistaken? (I never cancelled a RTW ticket before)

My guess it's open to carrier interpretation, but I hope you're right.


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36070047)
It's not rule, meaning part of the fare rules
but it is a known restriction of the on-line booking tool

So ,you can have a QR flight as the first flight, but then you cannot book it using the tool.

That's an important clarification to steveholt's comment.

CargoHoldFlyer Mar 11, 2024 2:00 am


Originally Posted by steveholt (Post 36068479)
I didn't, actually. Pricing out CAI-AMM-JFK-etc was actually more expensive than CAI-LHR-JFK-etc.

So I've been playing around with this quite a bit, with the online tool, SABRE and with the AA desk. ex-CAI different airlines have published different fares. It appears QR and AA have published fares in USD while the rest are publishing in EGP. Further, it appears that the fare selected is based on the "dominant" carrier, which seems to be the first overwater/long-haul carrier OR the first carrier. For me here's what I saw:

CAI-xDOH-DXB-xLHR-PMI-xMAD-DFW-GRU-JFK-xHKG-DXB - priced out at USD $6K+
but changing it to
CAI-xLHR-PMI-xMAD-DFW-GRU-JFK-xHKG-DXB (and ensuring that I only use BA, IB and CX for the over water segments) - priced this at $3442. (validating on CX)

If I used the AA flight from MAD to DFW - it prices using AA base fare (>$7k), if I use QR in the first segment it uses QR base fare (>$5k).

With these restrictions in mind - I was able to get the AA desk to price the itinerary at around $3,800 (validating/ticketing on AA) - higher YQ and taxes but perhaps worth it to deal with the AA RTW.

Good luck

kayzng Mar 11, 2024 2:11 am


Originally Posted by CargoHoldFlyer (Post 36070152)
So I've been playing around with this quite a bit, with the online tool, SABRE and with the AA desk. ex-CAI different airlines have published different fares. It appears QR and AA have published fares in USD while the rest are publishing in EGP. Further, it appears that the fare selected is based on the "dominant" carrier, which seems to be the first overwater/long-haul carrier OR the first carrier. For me here's what I saw:

CAI-xDOH-DXB-xLHR-PMI-xMAD-DFW-GRU-JFK-xHKG-DXB - priced out at USD $6K+
but changing it to
CAI-xLHR-PMI-xMAD-DFW-GRU-JFK-xHKG-DXB (and ensuring that I only use BA, IB and CX for the over water segments) - priced this at $3442. (validating on CX)

If I used the AA flight from MAD to DFW - it prices using AA base fare (>$7k), if I use QR in the first segment it uses QR base fare (>$5k).

With these restrictions in mind - I was able to get the AA desk to price the itinerary at around $3,800 (validating/ticketing on AA) - higher YQ and taxes but perhaps worth it to deal with the AA RTW.

Good luck

Based on your finding, with my routing below, the major carrier would be QR (PRG - xDOH - KUL) or CX (KUL - xHKG - LAX)?
CAI - xMAD - PRG (IB)
PRG - xDOH - KUL (QR)
KUL - NRT (MH)
HND - GMP (JL)
ICN - KUL (MH)
KUL - xHKG - LAX (CX)
LAX - SFO (AA)
SFO - JFK (AA)
JFK - DFW (AA)
DFW - DOH (QR)

danger Mar 11, 2024 4:08 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 36069993)
No, the tool is doing my head in. Multiple errors like the 'over 34K' one and it will only offer me RJ via AMM when my first segment is CAI-DOH.

I've spoken to Qantas in Hobart. It's being pieced together manually. That's a very good fare, though. Very cheap taxes. Was it done using the tool? Would you like to share your routing?

I asked Qantas to price the following DONE4:

CAI-xDOH-DFW-xANC (AA codes)
ANC-ORD
ORD-SJU
SJU-CLT
CLT-MEX
MEX-JFK
JFK-SYD
SYD-BLR
BLR-KUL
KUL-HKG (CX)
HKG-xLHR-CDG (BA)
CDG-xDOH-AMM (QR)

First, Qantas said CAI-DOH had to be on the QR code if I wanted A. I could book the AA code, but I'd be in H.

Second, Qantas said I must end in CAI. The agent I spoke with was fully aware of the Middle East exception (among the others) but he insisted five "senior ticketing agents" had all looked at the rules and said I must in CAI. More concerning, he said the oneworld desk also supported that position.

It was priced at AUD8403. The highest YQ charges were $1394 and $636 and the highest YR was $715. The agent I spoke with didn't know where exactly they came from, though.

UserMark Mar 11, 2024 5:33 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 36070333)
First, Qantas said CAI-DOH had to be on the QR code if I wanted A. I could book the AA code, but I'd be in H.

This is true, from what I found in Sabre. It looks like the QR flight number is allowed to be in A for the DONEx fares, but not the AA flight number. If you use the AA flight number, it prices as AONEx. Of course any airline can override that, but apparenty QF does not want to.

Originally Posted by danger (Post 36070333)
Second, Qantas said I must end in CAI. The agent I spoke with was fully aware of the Middle East exception (among the others) but he insisted five "senior ticketing agents" had all looked at the rules and said I must in CAI. More concerning, he said the oneworld desk also supported that position.

We all know that isn't true, but not much you can do if QF says that and you want QF to ticket it.

dvs7310 Mar 11, 2024 6:44 am


Originally Posted by CargoHoldFlyer (Post 36070152)
So I've been playing around with this quite a bit, with the online tool, SABRE and with the AA desk. ex-CAI different airlines have published different fares. It appears QR and AA have published fares in USD while the rest are publishing in EGP. Further, it appears that the fare selected is based on the "dominant" carrier, which seems to be the first overwater/long-haul carrier OR the first carrier. For me here's what I saw:

CAI-xDOH-DXB-xLHR-PMI-xMAD-DFW-GRU-JFK-xHKG-DXB - priced out at USD $6K+
but changing it to
CAI-xLHR-PMI-xMAD-DFW-GRU-JFK-xHKG-DXB (and ensuring that I only use BA, IB and CX for the over water segments) - priced this at $3442. (validating on CX)

If I used the AA flight from MAD to DFW - it prices using AA base fare (>$7k), if I use QR in the first segment it uses QR base fare (>$5k).

With these restrictions in mind - I was able to get the AA desk to price the itinerary at around $3,800 (validating/ticketing on AA) - higher YQ and taxes but perhaps worth it to deal with the AA RTW.

Good luck

Hold up, which itinerary were you able to get AA to price at $3800? I was looking at one yesterday that QF would have been ticketing for closer to $4800 so didn't bite. For $3800 I would. Would be looking at a DONE4 just like you have posted but would be doing Africa instead of South America. But I'd want JL and QR for my long segments intra-Asia and to/from Asia. Will have to suck it up and take an AA overwater, maybe MAD or LHR to get AA to ticket it.

kayzng Mar 11, 2024 7:06 am

Need some advice
I am almost done with my itinerary, just pending one final date confirmation.
I reach the booking page with credit card details, am I right to assume once I click submit, the payment will be automatically effected? or i still need to talk to airlines to get it ticketed?
When you guys mentioned ticketing, does it mean you are talking to airlines service agent to get the ticket issue instead of through the rtw page?
thanks a million

percysmith Mar 11, 2024 7:20 am


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36070693)
Need some advice
I am almost done with my itinerary, just pending one final date confirmation.
I reach the booking page with credit card details, am I right to assume once I click submit, the payment will be automatically effected? or i still need to talk to airlines to get it ticketed?
When you guys mentioned ticketing, does it mean you are talking to airlines service agent to get the ticket issue instead of through the rtw page?
thanks a million

on the RTW tool, directly ticketed. Won’t even ask for VbV (I had to call QF and wrangle for a cancel)

paul4471 Mar 11, 2024 7:20 am


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36070693)
Need some advice
I am almost done with my itinerary, just pending one final date confirmation.
I reach the booking page with credit card details, am I right to assume once I click submit, the payment will be automatically effected? or i still need to talk to airlines to get it ticketed?
When you guys mentioned ticketing, does it mean you are talking to airlines service agent to get the ticket issue instead of through the rtw page?
thanks a million

As soon as I hit enter on cc payment it said your flight is booked. I got an email messgae from QF Later asking to complete mY US stopover address details and residency etc but it went through. I only spoke to a qf agent today out of an abundance of caution to triple check it had gone through OK.

ironmanjt Mar 11, 2024 7:30 am

Few points:

When I was dealing with a medical issue a few weeks back QF confirmed to me the refund charge is 5% of the base fare - 100% of taxes would get refunded. So you might need to HUCA, but right now looks like refund charge is < 200 USD.

Does anyone have a list of what jacks the YR/YQ charges? So far, it seems to be:
  • any BA segment (using AT or IB out of CAI lowers it significantly)
  • any QR segment
  • any QF segment - especially longhauls

dvs7310 Mar 11, 2024 7:36 am


Originally Posted by kayzng (Post 36070693)
Need some advice
I am almost done with my itinerary, just pending one final date confirmation.
I reach the booking page with credit card details, am I right to assume once I click submit, the payment will be automatically effected? or i still need to talk to airlines to get it ticketed?
When you guys mentioned ticketing, does it mean you are talking to airlines service agent to get the ticket issue instead of through the rtw page?
thanks a million

Depends on the ticketing airline, QF will ticket immediately, CX requires a phone call and website payment, but you have to have CX as your first segment to get the tool to use CX.


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