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izzik Sep 12, 2024 9:25 am

I once tried to price out a DONE4 ex TYO on the phone and the agent kept pushing me to the oneworld online tool. She seemed potentially open to the idea if the first segment was JL metal,but I didn't feel confident in her ability to do it right...so I hung up.
YMMV

izzik Sep 13, 2024 10:09 pm

If you are thinking of booking a xONEx fare and paying in USD, I suggest ticketing sooner rather than later. You only need the first segment to be perfect.. the rest can change later w/o repricing the whole ticket.

On a separate note, there has been a recent price increase for some origination points. As of today, ex-OSL DONE4 is actually cheaper than ex-TYO.

pandaperth Sep 14, 2024 12:41 am


Originally Posted by izzik (Post 36524332)
If you are thinking of booking a xONEx fare and paying in USD, I suggest ticketing sooner rather than later. You only need the first segment to be perfect.. the rest can change later w/o repricing the whole ticket.

On a separate note, there has been a recent price increase for some origination points. As of today, ex-OSL DONE4 is actually cheaper than ex-TYO.

Is this just due to FX movements?

Looking in EF the base fares appear unchanged
ex-Norway DONE4 is NOK57,959
ex-Japan DONE4 is JPY780,400

wandering_fred Sep 14, 2024 6:42 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36524432)
Is this just due to FX movements?
Looking in EF the base fares appear unchanged
ex-Norway DONE4 is NOK57,959
ex-Japan DONE4 is JPY780,400

Yes JPY has appreciated against the USD.
About 160 JPY = 1 USD in early July versus just over 140 JPY = 1 USD now
Good timing helps wandering
Fred

izzik Sep 14, 2024 8:18 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 36524432)
Is this just due to FX movements?

Looking in EF the base fares appear unchanged
ex-Norway DONE4 is NOK57,959
ex-Japan DONE4 is JPY780,400

The Norway vs Japan might be due to FX but ex US is up by 10%. Not all carriers have followed through on the increase (look at AY vs AA/IB, for example).

zoombee Sep 16, 2024 8:35 am

On the topic of exJapan... I thought I read that taxes & surcharges are lower vs other starting points, possibly depending on which carrier tickets. Did I make that up? If not, can someone point me to the post(s) or outline the details? I can't find it...

It does seem Japan has some sort of legal cap on surcharges but it is unclear how that would apply to a rtw.

SNA_Flyer Sep 16, 2024 9:08 pm


Originally Posted by zoombee (Post 36529189)
On the topic of exJapan... I thought I read that taxes & surcharges are lower vs other starting points, possibly depending on which carrier tickets. Did I make that up? If not, can someone point me to the post(s) or outline the details? I can't find it...

It does seem Japan has some sort of legal cap on surcharges but it is unclear how that would apply to a rtw.

Taxes are going to be the same, but the fuel surcharges out of Japan tend to be a lot less for whatever reason.

None of the pricing has changed Norway/Japan, but the Yen has appreciated, bring them into close parity.

R2 Sep 16, 2024 11:28 pm

[QUOTE=SNA_Flyer;36531005]Taxes are going to be the same, but the fuel surcharges out of Japan tend to be a lot less for whatever reason./QUOTE]

Some jurisdictions - but I'm not sure if Japan is one - have fuel surcharges regulated by the authorities. At least JAL is transparent about their fuel surcharges, see the link:

https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/en/inter/fare/fuel/detail.html

zoombee Sep 17, 2024 1:55 am


Originally Posted by SNA_Flyer (Post 36531005)
Taxes are going to be the same, but the fuel surcharges out of Japan tend to be a lot less for whatever reason.

Yep, I could have been clearer I was asking about the surcharges part of the taxes and fuel surcharges addition to the base fare.

Japan's Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism regulates fuel surcharges for exJapan tickets based on actual fuel prices with airlines having to regularly apply for permission to charge at a given rate. JAL issues a press release every two months about it, e.g. most recently: https://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/202408/008257.html

What's murky is how this works in practice for xONEx tickets given the caps assume . I believe that's been discussed on flytertalk with (from memory) it varying based on ticketing carrier.

izzik Sep 17, 2024 8:13 am

I wonder if there's a connection between the government regulating fuel surcharges for ex-JPN tickets and the idea of carriers limiting availability for those tickets.
Probably not common knowledge.. only someone in rev mgmt can confirm.

Dr. HFH Sep 17, 2024 10:25 am


Originally Posted by izzik (Post 36531862)
I wonder if there's a connection between the government regulating fuel surcharges for ex-JPN tickets and the idea of carriers limiting availability for those tickets.

I believe that all fare categories except full (F, J, and Y) are generally limited as to the number of seats on a flight.

izzik Sep 17, 2024 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36532227)
I believe that all fare categories except full (F, J, and Y) are generally limited as to the number of seats on a flight.

Yes, but within those fare buckets may be other limits...

Dr. HFH Sep 17, 2024 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by izzik (Post 36532627)
Yes, but within those fare buckets may be other limits...

I don't understand. You mean, for example, within D there may be sub-fare classes?

SNA_Flyer Sep 17, 2024 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by zoombee (Post 36531319)
Yep, I could have been clearer I was asking about the surcharges part of the taxes and fuel surcharges addition to the base fare.

Japan's Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism regulates fuel surcharges for exJapan tickets based on actual fuel prices with airlines having to regularly apply for permission to charge at a given rate. JAL issues a press release every two months about it, e.g. most recently: https://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/202408/008257.html

What's murky is how this works in practice for xONEx tickets given the caps assume . I believe that's been discussed on flytertalk with (from memory) it varying based on ticketing carrier.

Interesting. I knew there was some kind of limit or regulation, but didn't know the exact details. I like how they actually have to justify them directly to fuel costs.

izzik Sep 17, 2024 6:39 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 36532705)
I don't understand. You mean, for example, within D there may be sub-fare classes?

Not talking about fare classes.
Nevermind.


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