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Old Dec 13, 2020, 3:14 pm
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14 Dec 2020 (rnz.co.nz)--->Managed isolation vouchers being hoarded by some leaving others desperate
Rooms in managed isolation have been sitting empty because some desperate returnees have been able to book more allocation vouchers than they need. The government is not putting a limit on the number of spaces people can lock in, despite other New Zealanders saying they feel stranded and helpless overseas.

It is mandatory to reserve a room before flying to the country, and the only people who can get rooms sooner than late February must either meet strict emergency allocation criteria, or snap up the very occasional cancelled booking by refreshing the website.
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On the allocation website returnees are directed to select their preferred dates for managed isolation, which are held for 48 hours while they book matching flights. To secure their managed isolation voucher, people enter their flight number. But Small said people have realised they do not actually need to be booked on that flight, for the voucher to be issued. They are hanging on to multiple options, and he feared people were not cancelling unused dates.

It is something Waikato travel agent Larissa Dunn had also encountered, including people who wanted a second date as back-up in case they missed their flight. "To me, that's just another waste of a room. I had a lady ring a few weeks ago and she was holding seven different spots in January," she said.

The Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) runs managed isolation and since November it said about "five to eight rooms" have gone unused each day due to people who had booked multiple vouchers or had flights but no voucher. It said another seven or eight rooms had been empty each day because people with vouchers had not boarded their flights.
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The simple requirement to put in airline PNR would solve a lot. But would need a check to determine it was valid and not a made up PNR.
The other simple requirement would be to charge $ for no shows. But from previous reports due to the rules few need to pay anyway.
When I looked yesterday only 24 Feb was showing as an available MIQ slot until to the end of February 2021.

Have also read and heard on NZ radio that 40% of MIQ slots are being taken by people travelling from Australia. TT bubble Jacinda???
From radio this morning that after the last 2020 NZ Government cabinet meeting being held today, an update may be issued. But would not be expecting a decision.

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Old Dec 27, 2020, 4:12 pm
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28 Dec 2020 (stuff.co.nz)---->Covid-19: Additional coronavirus tests for returnees from higher risk countries
New arrivals coming into New Zealand from high-risk countries will be required to have an additional Covid-19 test.In a statement, Minister for Covid-19 Response Chris Hipkins​ said that an additional test for returnees from higher risk countries, such as the United Kingdom, would be required from midnight December 31.

“The extra PCR test will be applied on ‘day zero’, as returnees who’ve been in the United Kingdom or the United States during the preceding 14 days go through New Zealand airport controls, or on ‘day one’, after they arrive at a managed isolation and quarantine facility,” Hipkins said.
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Pre-departure testing for UK arrivals to New Zealand“Keeping the virus out remains our biggest protection and as we’ve done all along, we regularly review our settings and make changes where they will make a difference,” Hipkins said.

“Plans for pre-departure risk reduction measures, including testing for people leaving the United Kingdom for New Zealand, are currently being worked on, with a view to implementing them from mid-January. These include selecting the most effective forms of testing in the circumstances. Additional risk measures for other countries are also being considered.
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29 Dec 2020 (nzherald.co.nz)--->Covid 19 coronavirus: More testing for returnees from higher risk countries

29 Dec 2020 (rnz.co.nz)--->More Covid tests for arrivals as new strains emerge

Other countries have introduced pre departure test at short notice. But not NZ bureaucrats or NZ pollies!!

Some short notice MIQ slots have been available in the least few day--->https://allocation.miq.govt.nz/portal/
30 Dec is showing at this time (will be soon gone)

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Old Jan 2, 2021, 3:37 pm
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03 Jan 2021 (rrnz.co.nz)---->Covid-19: UK and US travellers to need pre-departure tests before departing to NZ
All travellers from the United Kingdom or the United States will need a negative test result for Covid-19 before departing for New Zealand, the government has confirmed today.The new rules will come into effect from 15 January. Travellers from the UK and the US will still have to go through New Zealand's 14-day quarantine regime.

Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said work was already underway to extend the requirement to other long haul flights to New Zealand. "The new PCR test requirement, foreshadowed last week, will require travellers from the UK or the US to have a written form, certified by a laboratory or another form of approved evidence, showing a negative result in the 72 hours prior to departure. It will come into force on flights arriving in New Zealand after 11.59pm on 15 January.

"Work is underway on similar measures for travellers using most other long haul routes to New Zealand. We expect to be in a position to provide more details within the next week - after we get a more complete picture of testing regimes and capabilities in overseas jurisdictions."
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This is now common for entry many countries.
Why limited to only from UK & USA is perplexing. Other countries have no issues requiring for all people crossing their border.
With few airlines flying into NZ this should not be hard (unless the bureaucrats are going of there way to make it hard) .
With Qatar QR flying to many countries, this is common for QR flights.

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Old Jan 2, 2021, 6:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
03 Jan 2021 (rrnz.co.nz)---->Covid-19: UK and US travellers to need pre-departure tests before departing to NZ

This is now common for entry many countries.
Why limited to only from UK & USA is perplexing. Other countries have no issues requiring for all people crossing their border.
With few airlines flying into NZ this should not be hard (unless the bureaucrats are going of there way to make it hard) .
With Qatar QR flying to many countries, this is common for QR flights.
Well, to be fair, they say they are working on requiring other countries to do this. Perhaps they fast-tracked the worst countries and decided to start early with them...
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03 Jan 2021 (rrnz.co.nz)---->Covid-19: UK and US travellers to need pre-departure tests before departing to NZ

This is now common for entry many countries.
Why limited to only from UK & USA is perplexing. Other countries have no issues requiring for all people crossing their border.
With few airlines flying into NZ this should not be hard (unless the bureaucrats are going of there way to make it hard) .
With Qatar QR flying to many countries, this is common for QR flights.
Many countries require a negative test for all people crossing their border, but have no standardisation about which documentation the negative test is proved with (standardisation is arguably impossible given the wide variety of testing regimes and entities performing tests).

Reading between the lines in the rnz article, it sounds like they are looking at the testing capability in each country that currently has a flight to NZ, and looking at what the approved evidence can be for that country. It's a more robust approach than just saying "you must have a negative test to fly here" and then leaving a lot of discretion about how official the test result needs to look, but it takes a little longer to set up.
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Old Jan 2, 2021, 9:52 pm
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Reading between the lines in the rnz article, it sounds like they are looking at the testing capability in each country that currently has a flight to NZ, and looking at what the approved evidence can be for that country. It's a more robust approach than just saying "you must have a negative test to fly here" and then leaving a lot of discretion about how official the test result needs to look, but it takes a little longer to set up.
Very few airlines are coming to NZ. Been reported in MIQ 40% are from AU.
Air NZ would have a good proportion of arriving pax from several destinations Link to routes
Many people do not come only from the country that has a (non stop or direct) flight to NZ, They transit SIN, DOH DXB HKG or where ever from a 3rd country (subject to local transit rules at the time) [e.g EK448 DXB-KUL-AKL]
https://www.aucklandairport.co.nz/flights

Other countries have been able to have the requirement for all arrivals as the same time. Which for some people would be very hard to get a test & result before departure depending on the location.
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Old Jan 6, 2021, 6:21 pm
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07 Jan 2021 (rnz.co.nz)--->MIQ spaces 'extremely limited' until March
Managed isolation and quarantine facilities are expected to have no spare rooms in the next two weeks.

According the latest MBIE managed isolation and quarantine daily 14-day forecast, spaces in MIQ facilities are "extremely limited" until March, but some may come available as travel plans changed.

MIQ facilities around the country had a combined operational capacity of 4500 rooms - in the next 14 days, 4299 of these rooms will be full with 5627 people staying in them. MBIE said rooms were occupied for a minimum of 14 days and additional time was needed for cleaning and maintenance. This meant this full 14 day period was considered as opposed to room availability on any single day. Rooms that were vacant on one day might be needed for an incoming flight the next day, so were not actually available.

For various reasons, such as international travel volatility, not all people who have vouchers would use them and MBIE said vouchers were released as they became available. In total, 93,898 people had been through MIQ facilities since March 26, 2020
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NZ Gov MIQ portal-->https://allocation.miq.govt.nz/portal/
MIQ availability jumps around as people cancel and rebook
Image is at 7 Jan 2021 11:31 and 11:36 (NZ time today). The 8 & 9 Jan would likely have been taken by someone in AU. Travel time from UK, USA etc would making grabbing those hard, but not impossible. Slot for Jan 7 (today) is now gone, so someone in AU may have been able to get a flight.



NZ has more rooms per 100,000 population than AU. But hard to know how many want to come "home" for both countries.
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Old Jan 8, 2021, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
Very few airlines are coming to NZ. Been reported in MIQ 40% are from AU.
Air NZ would have a good proportion of arriving pax from several destinations Link to routes
Many people do not come only from the country that has a (non stop or direct) flight to NZ, They transit SIN, DOH DXB HKG or where ever from a 3rd country (subject to local transit rules at the time) [e.g EK448 DXB-KUL-AKL]
https://www.aucklandairport.co.nz/flights

Other countries have been able to have the requirement for all arrivals as the same time. Which for some people would be very hard to get a test & result before departure depending on the location.
That or reduce Australian arrivals to 7 day managed isolation stay as an midway point in the short term.
It would double the amount of Australian arrivals that could be processed an month or more importantly would free up more rooms for higher risk counties.

Require an 72hour before departure COVID-19 test, and require passengers to travel on an green Tasman flight which doesn’t have transit passengers.
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Old Jan 8, 2021, 5:03 pm
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That or reduce Australian arrivals to 7 day managed isolation stay as an midway point in the short term.
It would double the amount of Australian arrivals that could be processed an month or more importantly would free up more rooms for higher risk counties.

Require an 72hour before departure COVID-19 test, and require passengers to travel on an green Tasman flight which doesn’t have transit passengers.
NZ-->AU flights by JQ & QF are quarantine free (one way NZ--AU TT bubble)
NZ-->AU flights by Air NZ are quarantine free (one way NZ--AU TT bubble) or with AKL transit pax. Most Air NZ are AU TT bubble flights.

For JQ, QF & NZ would not be that hard to do in the opposite direction.
When I flew NZ MEL-AKL (B787) in Sept had no international transit pax and about 10 of the 68 pax connected to other long haul NZ flights
Been stated before AU needs 28 days without community transmission before NZ would consider a AU--NZ trans Trasman bubble. That will be weeks away at best, if not months
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Been stated before AU needs 28 days without community transmission before NZ would consider a AU--NZ trans Trasman bubble. That will be weeks away at best, if not months
With the recent VIC, NSW, QLD cases NZ will be holding off even longer I would be expecting we might wait for an reasonable amount of Australia to have had the vaccine.

If we can't get an simple RAR bubble going, there is minimal hope of the Tasman.

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Negative COVID-19 tests will soon, be required from All Countries (Expect Australia/ Pacific Islands). Also an $1000 fine will be put in place for those who arrive in New Zealand, without getting an negative Covid-19 test before arrival.

At the moment, only people coming from the UK and the US are required to produce a negative test – but Bloomfield is set to expand that to every country in the world.

The only exceptions are travellers from Australia, Antarctica and some Pacific Island nations.[
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-...ZC3ODHBJBNTOY/
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Old Jan 11, 2021, 7:32 pm
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The equivalent from rnz.co.nz ----> Government expands pre-departure Covid-19 testing rules
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In a statement released this afternoon, Covid-19 Recovery Minister Chris Hipkins said he had authorised the Director-General of Health to roll-out the requirement to cover all countries apart from Australia, Antarctica and some Pacific nations."New Zealand already has some of the most stringent border protection measures in the world. Today's amendments further strengthen that position in line with the government's overall elimination strategy," Hipkins said.
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When pre flight testing was announced could never see the logic of why only UK & USA.
Worldwide pre flight Covid-19 testing is become more common.
The recent AU announcement was pre flight C19 testing for all from all from all departure locations
But as with the Russian fishermen to CHC C19 testing has limits and doubts on accuracy
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/covid-19/...aged-isolation
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/...-onboard-ships
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Old Feb 1, 2021, 1:15 pm
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02 Feb 2021 (rnz.co.nz)---->NZ's managed isolation system booked out until June
New Zealanders travelling home from overseas are unable to book managed isolation as the system is full.

The government is yet to release dates beyond May, and it's stopped re-releasing people's cancelled bookings while it accounts for the loss of the Pullman Hotel. People logging into the booking website will encounter a calendar showing dates from today through till 31 May - each struck out with a little grey cross. Advice from Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern on Sunday, to "keep checking" for regular cancellations, was promptly superseded yesterday by the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE), which runs the hotels. "Cancelled vouchers that would normally be released back into the Managed Isolation Allocation System will be kept as additional contingency for a short period as we navigate through this current situation," it said.
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Covid-19 Response Minister Chris Hipkins said the Pullman Hotel would likely be empty by Saturday, and stay offline for about two more weeks.

In a statement, MBIE said the Managed Isolation and Quarantine system had a contingency of around 400 rooms for emergencies, including when a facility can't accept new arrivals "as is currently the case with the Pullman Hotel".
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MIQ link--->https://allocation.miq.govt.nz/portal/
When looking at the MIQ site before at times it did have a few random days with availability. Often for next day. Look again in an hour they would be gone

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Old Feb 12, 2021, 12:08 am
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Over the last week or so have noticed a few random slots
Just now 19 April is showing as available, but will soon be gone
NZ MIQ portal--->https://allocation.miq.govt.nz/portal/

12 Feb 2021 (rnz.co.nz)--->More managed isolation spots to be released
More managed isolation vouchers will be released for April and May over the next few days.

Managed isolation and quarantine officials stopped re-releasing people's cancelled vouchers at the start of the month, as the Pullman Hotel was gradually emptied of returning travellers. The vouchers were kept for contingencies as authorities investigated Covid-19 transmission at the hotel. Now some new dates are being released in small batches to avoid a system overload.
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Old Feb 13, 2021, 2:31 pm
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Australia has recently changed the green zone bubble requirements to have 14 days in NZ after exiting NZ MIQ

14 Feb 2021 (stuff.co.nz)---->MIQ as a transit lounge: hundreds fly to Australia soon after leaving isolation
Hundreds of people have flown to Australia soon after leaving managed isolation, but the Government has no way of knowing if people are abusing the system.

As pressure mounts on New Zealand’s MIQ facilities, with many people struggling to secure spots, figures obtained by Stuff raise questions about whether some people are using the country’s squeezed facilities as a transit lounge.
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In October and November alone, 549 people flew across the Tasman within 60 days of landing in New Zealand, taking advantage of the one-way travel bubble with Australia. More than 120 of them departed less than 21 days after they arrived, meaning some people would have left the country within a week of completing MIQ. National’s Covid Response spokesperson Chris Bishop said he’d heard allegations people “have been using New Zealand as a back door to Australia
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Of the 549 whose stay in the country was less than 60 days, most were New Zealand citizens or residents. Fifty-seven were not. More than 250 people had stayed less than 28 days, meaning at least some flew out of New Zealand within two weeks of completing managed isolation.

Since January 31, Australia has insisted people spend at least 14 days outside of MIQ before being eligible for the green zone travel arrangement, a change introduced after the Pullman cases came to light.
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