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Fare feels too good to be true? Don't call the airline!!!!!!
Double check that the fare is actually in Business or First as some online search engines or OTA's confuse booking classes on some airlines.
Post as many details as possible about the First / Business fare, including fare class, fare basis, one-way / roundtrip, sales channel, sample dates & total price, including taxes.
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The deeply discounted international fares discussed here are almost always specific to a certain country of origin, so don't ask if it works in reverse (e.g. a SFO-LHR-SFO fare usually won't work LHR-SFO-LHR). Domestic fares more commonly work in reverse.
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Mar 6, 2013, 4:43 pm

#631

armagebedar

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dll

I posted some time ago about low one-way MH fares from certain cities in SE Asia (PNH and REP were the lowest). Those are still available, but I also found (and booked) a one-way HKG-LAX today for approx 1540USD in J. Routing is HKG-NRT on CX (or JL if you prefer, also available), onwards on NRT-LAX on MH. Excellent fare for that route. Availability only on days when MH flies NRT-LAX (operates S, M, W, F). Booked in J, 125% EQMs on AA.

On MH's website, I'm not seeing this for much lower than 1,700 USD AI HKG-NRT-LAX and 1,880 USD HKG-KUL-NRT-LAX -- still not bad. MNL-KUL-NRT-LAX is available for 1,759 USD. So using an OTA is probably best in this case...!

Mar 6, 2013, 4:51 pm

#632

dll

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Quote:

Originally Posted by armagebedar

Yes indeed - I found much better flight availability via OTAs than the MH site. Offered CX and JL, plus NH, UA and DL for a slightly higher price. I wasn't looking to maximize my miles so much on this trip, just needed a one-way home, so took the most rational flight option. Otherwise you can bet I would have been on the HKG-KUL-NRT-LAX long boat home

Also note that MH run an A380 on at least a few days per week on the HKG-KUL sector so if you plan it right you can book at least one segment on it.

Mar 6, 2013, 9:16 pm

#633

correctioncx

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnAx

Mentioned previously, but here's some details

From various European cities (likely all BA cities, varying in price as usual)
Intended to hype start of A380 service, but not specifically tied to A380 flights

To LAX: Booking code I0SALE
example fares, r/t a/i:
FCO-LAX-FCO (via JFK, AA767 TATL and domestic): €1868
FCO-LAX-FCO (via LHR with at least one A380 segment): €1921

Purchase by 15 March 13
Fly outbound 15 Oct 13 - 18 Feb 14
Stay Su/3mo
No stopovers
Changes €300

To HKG: Booking code INCEUR1
example fare r/t a/i:
FCO-HKG-FCO €1963

Purchase by 15 March 13
Fly outbound 15 Nov 13 - 30 Mar 14 (not offered in late Dec 13)
Stay 3d/12mo
Stopovers in UK at €200 (such a deal

)
Changes €350

Actually ex LHR to HKG on BA is around 2300EUR (all in) However no changes are allowed (not even with penalty).

Mar 7, 2013, 8:59 am

#634

stimpy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by stimpy

I got an email from Air France Netherlands about a business class sale. But most of the destinations didn't really have great prices. The only one I liked was AMS-BKK-AMS for €1867. However after poking around I found it even cheaper on the KL website for under €1800.

What the hey?!?! Now I get an email from the same people and BKK is €1555! My gosh these airlines must be hurting. Oh well, good for us I guess. Book before 22 March 2013 and travel before 10 December 2013.

MIA 1899
HKG 1955
GIG 2031
etc.

Mar 7, 2013, 5:03 pm

#635

skunker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dll

Also note that MH run an A380 on at least a few days per week on the HKG-KUL sector so if you plan it right you can book at least one segment on it.

You can do PNH-HKG-KUL/SIN/CGK(etc.)-NRT-LAX-SAN all on oneworld or mixed alliances according to ITA.

Mar 7, 2013, 6:57 pm

#636

Pumpkinyaz

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Good summer deal from US to Asia on ANA...

First time posting in this forum (very new to all this actually!) but thought that this was a good deal -- hopefully I'm not mistaken. If I am, go easy on me!

On NH, JFK-NRT-PVG r/t $2878 ai booking into a P fare bucket (150% PQM on UA) in July (sample dates July 4th - 23rd, but wide availability).

Note that there's a $500 cancellation fee and a $400 change fee. Also 3 day minimum stay and 50 day advance purchase.

Mar 7, 2013, 8:17 pm

#637

arkangel

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TerryK

It is dead on Skyteam, yet alive on Star.@:-)

Well, it looks like it's come back from the "dead." I'm now seeing a few dates in June, DFW-MAD, for $1931.

Mar 7, 2013, 9:10 pm

#638

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cason Crane

Do they have a list of other destinations in Asia that qualify for the deal along with the fare rules?

Mar 7, 2013, 10:20 pm

#639

privacylawyer

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UA/Lufthansa biz class San/Fra/BCN $2051 ai earning 150% on UA

from
$2,051
round trip/ person

7 tickets
at this price

$4,101
All Travelers

Depart:
3:10 p.m.
Sun., May. 12, 2013
San Diego, CA (SAN)
Arrive:
4:37 p.m.
Sun., May. 12, 2013
San Francisco, CA (SFO)
Flight Time:
1 hr 27 mn
Award Miles/
Premier Qualifying*:
447 /150%
Flight: UA1730
Aircraft: Boeing 737-800
Fare Class: United First (P)
Meal: None
See On-Time Performance
View Seats
Change Planes. Connect time in San Francisco, CA (SFO) is 2 hours 28 minutes.
Depart:
7:05 p.m.
Sun., May. 12, 2013
San Francisco, CA (SFO)
Arrive:
3:00 p.m. +1 Day
Mon., May. 13, 2013
Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)
Flight Time:
10 hr 55 mn
Award Miles/
Premier Qualifying*:
5,699 /150%
Flight: UA926
Aircraft: Boeing 747-400
Fare Class: United BusinessFirst (P)
Meal: Dinner
See On-Time Performance
View Seats
Change Planes. Connect time in Frankfurt, Germany (FRA) is 1 hour 5 minutes.
Depart:
4:05 p.m.
Mon., May. 13, 2013
Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)
Arrive:
6:05 p.m.
Mon., May. 13, 2013
Barcelona, Spain (BCN)
Flight Time:
2 hr 0 mn

Travel Time:
17 hr 55 mn
Award Miles/
Premier Qualifying*:
679 /150%
Total Award Miles:
6,825
Flight: UA9515
Operated by Lufthansa.
Aircraft: Airbus A321
Fare Class: Business (P)
Meal: None
See On-Time Performance
View Seats

Mar 7, 2013, 10:48 pm

#640

skunker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by privacylawyer

Where are seeing this? It's not showing up on expertflyer.

Mar 8, 2013, 12:05 am

#641

SuperFlyBoy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skunker

Where are seeing this? It's not showing up on expertflyer.

Obviously on .bomb - where PQM is mentioned...

Mar 8, 2013, 7:55 am

#642

mileageking

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bocastephen

Do they have a list of other destinations in Asia that qualify for the deal along with the fare rules?

appears to be PVG only.

PACIFIC ROUND TRIP LIMITED BIZ VALUE FARES
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
THIS RULE GOVERNS ROUND-TRIP FARES.
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/SINGLE OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
A
VAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS.

[Day/Time]
OUTBOUND -
PERMITTED MON THROUGH THU ON EACH TRANSPACIFIC
SECTOR.
INBOUND -
PERMITTED TUE THROUGH FRI ON EACH TRANSPACIFIC
SECTOR.

[Flight Application]
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH
TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR BUT NOT ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
NH FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 7999.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH
TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
NH FLIGHTS 005 THROUGH 006
NH FLIGHTS 1005 THROUGH 1006
NH FLIGHTS 007 THROUGH 008
NH FLIGHTS 009 THROUGH 010
NH FLIGHTS 011 THROUGH 012.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN JAPAN AND
AREA 3
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY NH FLIGHT.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL BETWEEN JAPAN AND
AREA 3
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
NH FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 7999.

[Advance Reservations/Ticketing]
CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT
LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
CARRIER RESERVES THE RIGHT TO SET AUTOMATIC
TIME LIMIT CANCELLATION/TLC/ ON ALL BOOKINGS.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN THE TIME LIMIT
SET OR PRIOR TO THE ADVANCE PURCHASE REQUIREMENT
WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.

[Minimum Stay]
TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE
NO EARLIER THAN 3 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND
TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR.

[Maximum Stay]
TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
6 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

[Stopovers]
2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH
DIRECTION AT USD 100.00 EACH
NONE IN GUAM
IN AREA 3
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.

[Transfers]
5 TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
2 PERMITTED IN UNITED STATES IN EACH
DIRECTION
3 PERMITTED IN AREA 3 IN EACH DIRECTION.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

[Blackout Dates]
OUTBOUND -
TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 06MAY13 THROUGH 03JUL13 FOR
TRANSPACIFIC SECTORS.
INBOUND -
TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 13JUL13 THROUGH 25AUG13 FOR
TRANSPACIFIC SECTORS.

[Travel Restrictions]
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING DEPARTURE OF OUTBOUND
TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR ON/BEFORE 30SEP13.

[Sales Restrictions]
FOOTNOTE RULE
TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 27MAR13.

FARE RULE
TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY PTA.
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
PTA CONSTITUTES TICKETING.

GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER
GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER. CONTACT
CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

[Penalties]
CANCELLATIONS

BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHARGE USD 500.00.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE.

AFTER DEPARTURE
CHARGE USD 500.00.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE.

CHANGES

ANY TIME
CHARGE USD 400.00 FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE.

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Mar 8, 2013, 8:48 am

#643

Dieuwer

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Boston to Barcelona, $1866 ai.

Example: BOS-IAD-BRU-BCN-BRU-FRA-BOS, $1866 ai., 5/9-5/19. Books in SN P class, but operated by UA, SN, and LH.

Mar 8, 2013, 11:00 am

#644

Sykes

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skunker

Where are seeing this? It's not showing up on expertflyer.

It's the P-fare that has been mentioned before ... 10 day minimum stay, but it doesn't look like he listed the return.

Mar 8, 2013, 11:37 am

#645

skunker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy

Obviously on .bomb - where PQM is mentioned...

It's not obvious for someone, like myself, who could less about *A. I was looking for a match on AA.