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Aug 1, 2019, 10:41 am

#91

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Originally Posted by UA-NYC

I remember calculating this at the time of the merger and I think ~70% of legacy Marriott, Inc. properties were limited service.

I believe that's relatively accurate. Not sure what the percentage of Four Points, Aloft, etc. was in the Starwood era although Starwood's primary development focus before the merger was on the limited service segment.

Aug 2, 2019, 12:41 am

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Vince Chan

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Originally Posted by UA-NYC

I remember calculating this at the time of the merger and I think ~70% of legacy Marriott, Inc. properties were limited service.

(Of course, the public data about the W brand is also to the contrary of some FTers beliefs...)

That might be true, but as I pointed in the previous response, I think the percentage of limited service of the whole Marriott group should be calculated by continental.

Different image in different area. Most of those limited properties are located within america.You can calculate the fullservice brands percentage outside of US.

For someone like OP who might seldom stayed at full service Marriott or only perceiving Marriott as its development in the US can not genuinely reflects its hotel development and image international.

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Aug 2, 2019, 7:09 am

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Originally Posted by UA-NYC

It is a higher percentage at Hilton, and an even higher percentage for hotels generally. "Full service" hotels are a small minority in the US. At the end of the day, if Starwood were better in getting limited service hotels built, they would still be independent

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Aug 3, 2019, 1:38 am

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Originally Posted by Adelphos

This is exactly correct. If Starwood having no problem with developing and managing its mid(sheraton) -lower tier brands, it would still be independent. And again this clarify OP’s statement that more than 95 percents of Marriott hotel are limited brands, are no way near the reality number.

For hilton, from fact sheet, 2300 hampton hotels which also occupying 40 percents of current hilton profolio.

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Aug 3, 2019, 3:56 am

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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist

It's not just a matter of the total number of properties in the program, but rather how many hotels there are in which I want to stay. I hate the idea of some bunch of Fairfields or Courtyards replacing Des Indes or Furstenhof or a StR. For me, this is the issue. Most of Starriotts 6700 hotels are ones where I hope I never have to stay.

That is my issue, I rarely book on the Marriott site except personal travel and it is a mess with all the brands and hotels. Trying to use the sort filters is hit and miss so now I need to scroll though a lot of low to mid tier hotels, which is not were I Am going on vacation. Work is not that bad since I have a hotel in each city I typically stay at and those are favorites with my companies travel site.

Aug 4, 2019, 1:02 pm

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I'm just seeing this post, but it really isn't about "replacing," but adding. I am visiting some friends in the Hudson Valley in a few weeks, a beautiful area of the country with high room rates during the summer and fall. Hampton, Hilton Garden Inn, Courtyard, Residence Inn, Holiday Inn, etc are all available, but no Marriott, Hilton, Westin, Sheraton, St Regis, Ritz Carlton, Conrad, Waldorf Astoria, etc. Tellingly, no Four Points or Aloft are available either. A week earlier I am at a business trip at a JW Marriott. A few weeks later I am hoping to stay at the W, Hotel Arts or Edition in Barcelona. Having these options all available are clearly additive. The total number of hotels matters greatly IMO. Hyatt does well where it operates but there are tons of stays where they simply don't work, particularly domestically. They are working to change that, though.

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Dec 9, 2019, 3:15 pm

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Dec 9, 2019, 11:20 pm

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I have to say the only *good* thing about the merger, and a significant reason why I will still spend some amount of nights with Marriott, is their extensive portfolio. Every city has good properties and bad properties regardless of their level of brand, so Marriott is helpful in this regard. In the same city the JW Marriott can be horrible, and the Westin is amazing or vice-versa. The St. Regis can be subpar, but the Ritz is amazing or vice-versa. Thus I have options. With Hyatt and Hilton, I've noticed because of their limited selections within a city, once a property is bad, you really don't have much other choices (within the same level of standard). If a Conrad or Park Hyatt is bad, there really isn't an equivalent within the same city that you can go instead. Same as you triggle down the level of standards. So in this regard, Marriott is a plus.

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