Peak and off peak Awards (General Discussion)
Aug 15, 2019, 7:30 am
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Since most families travel during peak periods, this peak and off-peak change would be another rate hike or Marriott point devaluation.
You can make peak, standard and off-peak evenly divided 1/3 each. But the off peak rooms will likely stay empty even with the off-peak rates. The net effect is that after the change, members pay overall higher rates for all the rooms booked.
This is not a balanced approach...
You can make peak, standard and off-peak evenly divided 1/3 each. But the off peak rooms will likely stay empty even with the off-peak rates. The net effect is that after the change, members pay overall higher rates for all the rooms booked.
This is not a balanced approach...
Aug 15, 2019, 7:32 am
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Under your scenario everyone feels they are getting screwed, under mine people are paying more points but feel they are getting a deal.
Aug 15, 2019, 7:40 am
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I think in the past things like that have been called program "enhancements" which we all know are just the opposite.
Aug 15, 2019, 8:05 am
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H/T to Gary at VFTW on some sneaky language:
Peak and Off Peak Dates Will Be Balanced
When Marriott first announced the new program Senior Vice President David Flueck told me, “We’ll make sure there’s a lot of equity in a market, in general roughly the same number of peak nights as off peak nights.”
They say that’s still true.. although there’s a qualifier. There will be more standard pricing dates than peak and off peak dates, with a fairly even distribution of peak and off peak, however that will only hold across the Marriott hotel portfolio as a whole and not necessarily for each individual property.
So - high demand / resort individual properties are more likely to have an imbalance of peak vs. off-peak
Peak and Off Peak Dates Will Be Balanced
When Marriott first announced the new program Senior Vice President David Flueck told me, “We’ll make sure there’s a lot of equity in a market, in general roughly the same number of peak nights as off peak nights.”
They say that’s still true.. although there’s a qualifier. There will be more standard pricing dates than peak and off peak dates, with a fairly even distribution of peak and off peak, however that will only hold across the Marriott hotel portfolio as a whole and not necessarily for each individual property.
So - high demand / resort individual properties are more likely to have an imbalance of peak vs. off-peak
Aug 15, 2019, 8:13 am
#50
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Great if Marriott can maintain the balance of these off peak and peak rates.
Will be good for members who have high degree of flexibility on their travel plan.
Will be good for members who have high degree of flexibility on their travel plan.
Aug 15, 2019, 8:23 am
#51
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@Marriott Bonvoy Lurker....Did we ever get clarification on how the 35k credit card nights were going to be handled with the Peak/Non-Peak award pricing?
Right now the 35k free night certificate gets you a Cat. 5....are we only getting a Cat. 4 for those certificates if the time we want to stay at a property is classified at PEAK moving forward? This would be a devaluation of the 35k certificates!
Right now the 35k free night certificate gets you a Cat. 5....are we only getting a Cat. 4 for those certificates if the time we want to stay at a property is classified at PEAK moving forward? This would be a devaluation of the 35k certificates!
Aug 15, 2019, 8:28 am
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Hi christianj! The value of the free night awards earned through credit card membership will not be changed, and are still valid up to 35k points. The awards are no longer issued at a category level. This would also allow you to use the same award at a hotel that lowers their point value during off-peak season, regardless of category level. If the hotel you're interested in is above 35,000 points during peak time, you may have to be flexible with your dates of stay or find a hotel that is 35,000 points or less per night. We would also encourage members to book reservations and attach certificates prior to the start of this program to take advantage of current redemption rates.
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Aug 15, 2019, 8:39 am
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The value of the free night awards earned through credit card membership will not be changed, and are still valid up to 35k points. The awards are no longer issued at a category level. This would also allow you to use the same award at a hotel that lowers their point value during off-peak season, regardless of category level. If the hotel you're interested in is above 35,000 points during peak time, you may have to be flexible with your dates of stay or find a hotel that is 35,000 points or less per night. We would also encourage members to book reservations and attach certificates prior to the start of this program to take advantage of current redemption rates.
This is exactly what is driving away Marriott loyalists. I would certainly cut some of my Marriott credit cards since the annual award nights are worth much less now. The 50k award nights losses even more value.
Aug 15, 2019, 8:48 am
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@Marriott Bonvoy Lurker....your point of being able to use the "same award at hotel that lowers their point value during off-peak season" is a mute point since the Cat. 6 off-peak awards require 40k! So essentially the members with the 35k certificates get #Bonvoyed because they can NEVER be used for a higher category OFF PEAK award! Plus during the PEAK times we have to go down a category. I know you are the messenger but just another example of Marriott devaluing the program.
But Hilton still wins out I recently was looking at a Hampton Inn my choice spend $79+tx or 50k, Marriott will be there as well in no time. There was a Holiday Inn not far away for $79 and hats where I went. I will eventually use up all my Hilton and now Marriott pts but not at rip-off amounts
Aug 15, 2019, 8:50 am
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Death by a thousand... gashes to the head with a pick-axe.
Aug 15, 2019, 8:50 am
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Ugh, the sky isn't falling, and this was somewhat expected, but I'd rather the hotel just didn't show points availability during peak periods rather than the exorbitant Peak rates (which I'd never use Bonvoy points for). Boooo...
Aug 15, 2019, 8:51 am
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With points advance, are we saying that existing PA bookings must be settled by 14/9 to benefit from the locked in rate, or is it new bookings only? I assume former.
Aug 15, 2019, 8:53 am
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Aug 15, 2019, 9:03 am
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Actually that is a good marketing move for consumer psychology. You'd see a 'discount' even though the base price is inflated. Otherwise what we're going to see is basically a 'surcharge' which nobody likes... kind of akin to the 'destination fees' 
Aug 15, 2019, 9:12 am
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In NYC this eliminates 50 properties from the 35k free night certificates during PEAK times! If this isn't enough to upset people I don't know what is. We are then left with 13 properties vs the 63 we have today.