Peak and off peak Awards (General Discussion)
Aug 19, 2019, 6:11 am
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gaming the system in the above to me is booking up and speculating for a potential future stay via points advance, which is now limited to certain number of bookings using the points advance feature coming up.
gaming the system is not really booking revenue stays to lock in the rate and then cancel as plans are locked in.
marriott has now made it so points advance locks in the availability but not the point value which means points advance reservation can no longer abused (especially when categories change), which I partially agree.
gaming the system is not really booking revenue stays to lock in the rate and then cancel as plans are locked in.
marriott has now made it so points advance locks in the availability but not the point value which means points advance reservation can no longer abused (especially when categories change), which I partially agree.
Aug 19, 2019, 6:38 am
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gaming the system in the above to me is booking up and speculating for a potential future stay via points advance, which is now limited to certain number of bookings using the points advance feature coming up.
gaming the system is not really booking revenue stays to lock in the rate and then cancel as plans are locked in.
marriott has now made it so points advance locks in the availability but not the point value which means points advance reservation can no longer abused (especially when categories change), which I partially agree.
gaming the system is not really booking revenue stays to lock in the rate and then cancel as plans are locked in.
marriott has now made it so points advance locks in the availability but not the point value which means points advance reservation can no longer abused (especially when categories change), which I partially agree.
Aug 19, 2019, 7:12 am
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Not sure if the recent discussions have anything to do with peak vs off peaking booking. More of general booking and advanced booking questions.
Aug 19, 2019, 7:25 am
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it does actually....the discussion has been about how someone with a points advance booking may be asked to pay a higher rate because of peak awards....
Aug 19, 2019, 7:33 am
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With the new PA booking, it doesn’t lock in point rate. Do I miss anything?
There is another thread on point advance booking.
There is another thread on point advance booking.
Aug 19, 2019, 7:35 am
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No, it only reserves the dates. You are correct that the amount of points needed may change between the date you make a PA reservation and the date your points are deducted from your account.
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Aug 19, 2019, 7:57 am
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Aug 19, 2019, 11:10 am
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So we all saying the same thing. The only “game” here is the PA booking for the last few days. We all just guessing where the peak is other than the obvious ones such as ski and beach resorts.
Do we know if Marriott allows us to keep more than 3 PA bookings after 9/14?
Do we know if Marriott allows us to keep more than 3 PA bookings after 9/14?
Aug 19, 2019, 11:34 am
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gaming the system in the above to me is booking up and speculating for a potential future stay via points advance, which is now limited to certain number of bookings using the points advance feature coming up.
gaming the system is not really booking revenue stays to lock in the rate and then cancel as plans are locked in.
marriott has now made it so points advance locks in the availability but not the point value which means points advance reservation can no longer abused (especially when categories change), which I partially agree.
gaming the system is not really booking revenue stays to lock in the rate and then cancel as plans are locked in.
marriott has now made it so points advance locks in the availability but not the point value which means points advance reservation can no longer abused (especially when categories change), which I partially agree.
Aug 19, 2019, 1:13 pm
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There is. But there is a specific aspect of Points Advance which is a very specific to the Peak/Off-Peak implementation.
Aug 19, 2019, 1:40 pm
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This is a really big deal. Many people are going to have a rude awakening when they finally saved up the points of that Christmas stay, spring break stay, Golden Week stay, only to find out that Marriott moved their cheese and the price has gone up to peak rates. It is going to spoil people’s vacations and drive ill will.
Anyone booking before Sept 14 any points advance standard award reservations over any of those obviously highest occupancy periods who isn’t already expecting those to change immediately on Sept 14 to peak awards is kidding themselves. That isn’t a rude awakening. That’s a reality check.
Also, I prefer people who actually have saved up for their peak awards at those periods to get first crack than those who haven’t. So I think Marriott is doing the fair thing here.
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Aug 19, 2019, 2:35 pm
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Funny it is still called "Points Advance!" Shouldn't it be a "Nights Advance Reservation?" If you want to confirm a room before you have the points, expect to pay the peak points rates. If it is lower at settlement, consider it a bonus.
One simple solution is to terminate points/nights advance completely, then Members with big stashes can't hold 3 reservations when they intend to only use one.
James
One simple solution is to terminate points/nights advance completely, then Members with big stashes can't hold 3 reservations when they intend to only use one.
James
Aug 19, 2019, 5:38 pm
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Funny it is still called "Points Advance!" Shouldn't it be a "Nights Advance Reservation?" If you want to confirm a room before you have the points, expect to pay the peak points rates. If it is lower at settlement, consider it a bonus.
One simple solution is to terminate points/nights advance completely, then Members with big stashes can't hold 3 reservations when they intend to only use one.
James
One simple solution is to terminate points/nights advance completely, then Members with big stashes can't hold 3 reservations when they intend to only use one.
James
Aug 19, 2019, 8:15 pm
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sure they can....as long as the rate doesn't change....under normal circumstances, once you book, the rate is locked in....then it doesn't matter what the rate changes to....you only pay the rate you have booked....
if the rate changes before you book then you will obviously have to pay the higher rate....
but that's not the case here....what marriott is saying is that even if you booked a points advance rate for 50,000, there is no guarantee that you would get that rate....even if that is the rate available when you book....if they decide to change the rate after you have booked then you will have to pay the higher 60,000 rate....
the reason people book in advance is to lock in a lower rate....i already have a confirmed cash booking for next may....i am traveling for a family wedding & the dates are fixed so i booked 3 rooms for my family & me 9 months in advance because i'm getting a very good rate at that hotel right now....there is a good chance that the closer you get to may, the higher the hotel rate would be....but i won't have to pay the higher rate since i booked in advance....would you call this gaming the system????
if the rate changes before you book then you will obviously have to pay the higher rate....
but that's not the case here....what marriott is saying is that even if you booked a points advance rate for 50,000, there is no guarantee that you would get that rate....even if that is the rate available when you book....if they decide to change the rate after you have booked then you will have to pay the higher 60,000 rate....
the reason people book in advance is to lock in a lower rate....i already have a confirmed cash booking for next may....i am traveling for a family wedding & the dates are fixed so i booked 3 rooms for my family & me 9 months in advance because i'm getting a very good rate at that hotel right now....there is a good chance that the closer you get to may, the higher the hotel rate would be....but i won't have to pay the higher rate since i booked in advance....would you call this gaming the system????
The title of the thread is about peak and off peak....
I digress.