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pinniped Aug 15, 2019 9:18 am

What are the odds that post-8/18, when the OC's are all out of the way, one of our Marriott Lurkers will publish us a brief FAQ on the certificates?

My main question is "can you extend an NC by one year?" In the past 20-30 posts, there are multiple conflicting answers to this question. (Never, maybe as an Ambassador perk, yes once, yes many times).

Others obviously have questions about upgrading certs that also seem to have different conflicting answers.

Jimgotkp Aug 15, 2019 9:23 am

The new off-peak and peak pricing shouldn't affect these travel packages, right? Unlike the anniversary night certificates from the credit cards which have a redemption rate, the travel packages are just restricted by category.

MDtR-Chicago Aug 15, 2019 10:20 am


Originally Posted by CosmicGirl (Post 31415050)
Sorry for being annoying but just to confirm: you converted ON the expiration date in your account?

Yes. I converted ON the "valid through" date, around 5pm. Note that the cert had already disappeared from my account but I found the date on the original email. Either way, there was no issue when I called.

CosmicGirl Aug 15, 2019 10:33 am


Originally Posted by MDtR-Chicago (Post 31419420)
Yes. I converted ON the "valid through" date, around 5pm. Note that the cert had already disappeared from my account but I found the date on the original email. Either way, there was no issue when I called.

Thanks. I decided not to take the risk and converted a day early. It probably would've kept me up all night until I called.

RedSun Aug 15, 2019 10:51 am


Originally Posted by Jimgotkp (Post 31419197)
The new off-peak and peak pricing shouldn't affect these travel packages, right? Unlike the anniversary night certificates from the credit cards which have a redemption rate, the travel packages are just restricted by category.

This is correct. Those TPs are category based, not points based. Not affected by peak vs off-peak.

RedSun Aug 15, 2019 10:56 am


Originally Posted by lev441 (Post 31419105)
What happens if you cancel a 7 night hotel award which has a travel package attached to it? Does it go back to your account or do you loose it?

You need to call to ask the agent to detach the TP hotel certificate. It goes back to your account as the original form. The OC TP have almost all expired, you'll see the NC TP in your account.

the_jaguar Aug 15, 2019 11:08 am

My Tier 1-3 certificate was expiring on the 17th - I called in today and asked for it to be converted to the new one. Before I could even ask for a conversion to a Cat 7, I was put on hold and after about 5 minutes the agent came back and said everything has been taken care of and I now have a Cat 6 certificate along with 30K points refunded. Thanks to all the information on this thread and luckily got a good agent, I didn't face any issues in the conversion process.

RedSun Aug 15, 2019 11:10 am


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 31419172)
What are the odds that post-8/18, when the OC's are all out of the way, one of our Marriott Lurkers will publish us a brief FAQ on the certificates?

My main question is "can you extend an NC by one year?" In the past 20-30 posts, there are multiple conflicting answers to this question. (Never, maybe as an Ambassador perk, yes once, yes many times).

Others obviously have questions about upgrading certs that also seem to have different conflicting answers.

They should. From my communication with Marriott, they consider the old OC and the new NC TP to be one travel package. By now, almost all TPs have been re-issued and given 12-month new life. To them, this is what they called "one time extension" per its policy.

But the issue is that, the "extension" was not really a 12-month extension, but a cancellation and re-issue. Had anyone converted in Oct/2018, it would be a NC expiring in Oct/2019. Someone can hold to the very end and get a almost full 12-month extension.

I highly doubt that Marriott would want to grant another extension to Aug-2021. Then this one year TP would have a life of 3 years.

skimthetrees Aug 15, 2019 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by lev441 (Post 31419105)
What happens if you cancel a 7 night hotel award which has a travel package attached to it? Does it go back to your account or do you loose it?

If you have an NC cert and you cancel the reservation online the cert returns immediately to your account. If you have an OC cert it could go into limbo so you should call to detach an OC cert before cancelling the reservation. You can still get the OC cert recovered if it has not expired but you might need a knowledgeable agent so it is best to detach an OC cert before cancelling to avoid the hassle of restoring the cert.


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 31419570)
You need to call to ask the agent to detach the TP hotel certificate. It goes back to your account as the original form. The OC TP have almost all expired, you'll see the NC TP in your account.

FYI, per previous info in this thread, you do not need to call to detach if your cert is already converted to an NC cert.

RedSun Aug 15, 2019 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by skimthetrees (Post 31419939)
FYI, per previous info in this thread, you do not need to call to detach if your cert is already converted to an NC cert.

This is not true. There is still a possibility that the TP can get lost in the process.

pinniped Aug 15, 2019 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 31419634)
They should. From my communication with Marriott, they consider the old OC and the new NC TP to be one travel package. By now, almost all TPs have been re-issued and given 12-month new life. To them, this is what they called "one time extension" per its policy.

But the issue is that, the "extension" was not really a 12-month extension, but a cancellation and re-issue. Had anyone converted in Oct/2018, it would be a NC expiring in Oct/2019. Someone can hold to the very end and get a almost full 12-month extension.

I highly doubt that Marriott would want to grant another extension to Aug-2021. Then this one year TP would have a life of 3 years.

Interesting thing is that I actually have *two* TPs at this point.

One was originally an OC, issued in June 2018 and converted in June 2019, now with an expiration of June 2020.
The other was issued as an NC in March 2019.

It seems like there's yet *another* possibility - that they would *not* extend the June 2019 cert but *would* extend the March one.

I have an opportunity to burn both certs on a Cat 4 stay over Christmas. We have two rooms booked for a week. Only reason I'm not redeeming is because of the Christmas rates...it's a nice FS Marriott for $90/nt. But I may just burn 'em both and be done with it. Our 2020 trips aren't going to be in places where we are likely to want two Marriott weeks.

pazza2000 Aug 15, 2019 12:43 pm

When the peak / off-peak pricing is introduced next month, that shouldn’t effect redeeming these Travel Packages should it? In fact if anything, they become a little more valuable.

RedSun Aug 15, 2019 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 31419996)
Interesting thing is that I actually have *two* TPs at this point.

One was originally an OC, issued in June 2018 and converted in June 2019, now with an expiration of June 2020.
The other was issued as an NC in March 2019.

It seems like there's yet *another* possibility - that they would *not* extend the June 2019 cert but *would* extend the March one.

I have an opportunity to burn both certs on a Cat 4 stay over Christmas. We have two rooms booked for a week. Only reason I'm not redeeming is because of the Christmas rates...it's a nice FS Marriott for $90/nt. But I may just burn 'em both and be done with it. Our 2020 trips aren't going to be in places where we are likely to want two Marriott weeks.

Marriott can't "extend" either the TP or the award nights. They can only cancel the old ones and re-issue new ones with 12-month expiration.

Optimizing those TPs are like in a game theory. There are so many constraints....

HIFlya Aug 15, 2019 12:49 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 31419556)
This is correct. Those TPs are category based, not points based. Not affected by peak vs off-peak.

This is kind of a negative for me as 25K in theory would have gotten me Category 5 off-peak. Of course, who knows if any category 5s will have 7 consecutive off-peak nights.

skimthetrees Aug 15, 2019 1:11 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 31419947)
This is not true. There is still a possibility that the TP can get lost in the process.

It is true, from personal experience. NC's return to your account.


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