Jan 2, 2017, 9:18 pm
Last edit by: Travelz
This is a new thread for 2017. The previous discussion can be found here.
READ the posts in this thread before asking questions. Many have already been answered.
10k per day limit including fees - must fill out a form (use cards as a budget tool or whatever you want to put)
Check the Simon website for locations.
VGC issued by meta for 3.95 - Count your cards before you leave the mall
When ordering online, Simon uses GCM.
READ the posts in this thread before asking questions. Many have already been answered.
10k per day limit including fees - must fill out a form (use cards as a budget tool or whatever you want to put)
Check the Simon website for locations.
VGC issued by meta for 3.95 - Count your cards before you leave the mall
When ordering online, Simon uses GCM.
Simon Mall Gift Cards(2017-2018)
Feb 15, 2017, 8:12 pm
#166
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,727
My Simon stopped filling the form out for me 
They used to write the reason for me..
They used to write the reason for me..
Feb 20, 2017, 10:34 am
#169
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,061
was upset & disturbed at the fact that a local SM this past Sat. decided to cancel the entire trans after 1 of the CC failed for a about $1,100; the staff & manager asked that i come back another time; despite my request for 1-2 minutes to check with the bank to see why or use another CC, they still went ahead to cancel; felt that this SM may break the laws with bias by saying that they're not comfortable with the failed trans and refusing to provide service while I was not a disruption or harm to their business; also, the fact is that my time & effort were wasted
Feb 20, 2017, 11:03 am
#170
Join Date: Sep 2005
Programs: Northwest, United
Posts: 3,256
was upset & disturbed at the fact that a local SM this past Sat. decided to cancel the entire trans after 1 of the CC failed for a about $1,100; the staff & manager asked that i come back another time; despite my request for 1-2 minutes to check with the bank to see why or use another CC, they still went ahead to cancel; felt that this SM may break the laws with bias by saying that they're not comfortable with the failed trans and refusing to provide service while I was not a disruption or harm to their business; also, the fact is that my time & effort were wasted
What you describe is standard procedure. It's well known that if a CC is declined at Simon, you are generally done for the day.
As for "break the laws with bias" that's laughable. No store has any requirement to sell you anything if they don't feel like it. You have no constitutional right to buy anything (or MS) on terms that you dictate. If a store just decides they they don't want to sell you something, for whatever reason, they are perfectly within their rights to tell you to go pound sand. (The only exception is if you are turned away because you are a member of a protected class, and that's not the reason here - having a credit card declined does not make you a member of a protected class).
Suck it up, get over it, don't make a stink, and stop waving your pocket constitution. You screwed up, not them, so just be polite and move on.
Ah, the sense of entitlement...
Feb 20, 2017, 11:47 am
#171
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,061
You can be upset and disturbed if you want. Won't change a thing (well, not in a positive way - for anyone). Nothing new.
What you describe is standard procedure. It's well known that if a CC is declined at Simon, you are generally done for the day.
As for "break the laws with bias" that's laughable. No store has any requirement to sell you anything if they don't feel like it. You have no constitutional right to buy anything (or MS) on terms that you dictate. If a store just decides they they don't want to sell you something, for whatever reason, they are perfectly within their rights to tell you to go pound sand. (The only exception is if you are turned away because you are a member of a protected class, and that's not the reason here - having a credit card declined does not make you a member of a protected class).
Suck it up, get over it, don't make a stink, and stop waving your pocket constitution. You screwed up, not them, so just be polite and move on.
Ah, the sense of entitlement...
What you describe is standard procedure. It's well known that if a CC is declined at Simon, you are generally done for the day.
As for "break the laws with bias" that's laughable. No store has any requirement to sell you anything if they don't feel like it. You have no constitutional right to buy anything (or MS) on terms that you dictate. If a store just decides they they don't want to sell you something, for whatever reason, they are perfectly within their rights to tell you to go pound sand. (The only exception is if you are turned away because you are a member of a protected class, and that's not the reason here - having a credit card declined does not make you a member of a protected class).
Suck it up, get over it, don't make a stink, and stop waving your pocket constitution. You screwed up, not them, so just be polite and move on.
Ah, the sense of entitlement...
Feb 20, 2017, 12:16 pm
#172
Join Date: Sep 2005
Programs: Northwest, United
Posts: 3,256
so you felt that a business refused to provide you a service at public places like restaurants, hotels, etc. while u don't cause a problem or disruption, u don't feel anything wrong with that? Like to get some feedback from any folks on here that are familiar with the laws
You have no right to force a business to do business with you, on the terms you demand. Period. It's not complicated. It's reeeeeeeally simple. Yes, restaurants, hotels, stores, whatever.
Please go ahead and try to get a lawyer to take your case - you'll be laughed at.
This is reeeeeeealy basic, common sense stuff - yet so many people in this game seem to have trouble accepting that. Just a little sense of entitlement here...
Feb 20, 2017, 12:32 pm
#173
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,061
Anyone with any understanding of laws - or how the world works - knows the answer to your question. It's really, really simple.
You have no right to force a business to do business with you, on the terms you demand. Period. It's not complicated. It's reeeeeeeally simple. Yes, restaurants, hotels, stores, whatever.
Please go ahead and try to get a lawyer to take your case - you'll be laughed at.
This is reeeeeeealy basic, common sense stuff - yet so many people in this game seem to have trouble accepting that. Just a little sense of entitlement here...
You have no right to force a business to do business with you, on the terms you demand. Period. It's not complicated. It's reeeeeeeally simple. Yes, restaurants, hotels, stores, whatever.
Please go ahead and try to get a lawyer to take your case - you'll be laughed at.
This is reeeeeeealy basic, common sense stuff - yet so many people in this game seem to have trouble accepting that. Just a little sense of entitlement here...
Feb 20, 2017, 12:33 pm
#174
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,207
so you felt that a business refused to provide you a service at public places like restaurants, hotels, etc. while u don't cause a problem or disruption, u don't feel anything wrong with that? Like to get some feedback from any folks on here that are familiar with the laws
Feb 20, 2017, 12:51 pm
#175
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: CA
Programs: BA, AA, United
Posts: 429
was upset & disturbed at the fact that a local SM this past Sat. decided to cancel the entire trans after 1 of the CC failed for a about $1,100; the staff & manager asked that i come back another time; despite my request for 1-2 minutes to check with the bank to see why or use another CC, they still went ahead to cancel; felt that this SM may break the laws with bias by saying that they're not comfortable with the failed trans and refusing to provide service while I was not a disruption or harm to their business; also, the fact is that my time & effort were wasted
BTW, in my SM, they let me use a different card if the first card gets declined for any reason.
Feb 20, 2017, 1:03 pm
#176
Join Date: Sep 2005
Programs: Northwest, United
Posts: 3,256
You are 100%, completely, utterly and totally wrong. You simply do not understand civil rights or civil rights law. At all.
I'll keep it short and simple for you: it's true that no business can discriminate against someone on the basis of their ethnic background, religion, disability, etc. (these are known as a "protected classes" - that's not a complete list, and depending on where you live, there may be other protected classes).
That has absolutely nothing to do with your experience at Simon.
You were not denied service because you were a member of a protected class.
You were denied service for another reason. That reason could be that they simply don't like you (yes, that's a legally valid reason). In your case the reason was that they had a reason to suspect your purchase might be fraudulent - and they have clear evidence of that.
That's it. End of story. There's nothing more to it.
(Unless you are prepared to take them to court and can clearly prove that you were discriminated against because you are a member of a protected class. Of course, you would be laughed out of the courtroom as they will be able to point to thousands of other members of any protected class who they are happy to sell to.)
Here's the gist of it: You do NOT have any legal right to force a business to do business with you, period. (Unless you can prove they are denying you specifically because you are a member of a protected class).
By the way, I'm sure if you had pulled out a stack of cash and offered that as a form of payment, they would have been more than happy to complete your transaction (and I'm sure they would point that out if challenged). What you were trying to do, and failed, was to force them to accept your preferred method of payment. Are you going to whip out your pocket Constitution and show them the part where it says they must accept your (declined) credit card?
Good luck.
Feb 20, 2017, 1:03 pm
#177
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: SAN
Programs: Delta Gold. Hilton Diamond. Hyatt Explorist.
Posts: 1,674
Feb 20, 2017, 1:23 pm
#178
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,061
that's what it should be; have never seen or heard of any business refused to provide a sale or service after 1 CC trans failed; earlier stated my experience because of principles & laws; not like this local SM guest services is the only place i can do w/o
Last edited by danhouston; Feb 20, 2017 at 1:31 pm
Feb 20, 2017, 1:26 pm
#179
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 20
Just left sm office, they are always nice to me. Bottom line, no need upset, try another time.
Feb 20, 2017, 1:53 pm
#180
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,061
Believe in the Easter Bunny if you like, believe whatever you want - people believe in all kinds of crazy nonsense, that doesn't mean they're not completely wrong.
You are 100%, completely, utterly and totally wrong. You simply do not understand civil rights or civil rights law. At all.
I'll keep it short and simple for you: it's true that no business can discriminate against someone on the basis of their ethnic background, religion, disability, etc. (these are known as a "protected classes" - that's not a complete list, and depending on where you live, there may be other protected classes).
That has absolutely nothing to do with your experience at Simon.
You were not denied service because you were a member of a protected class.
You were denied service for another reason. That reason could be that they simply don't like you (yes, that's a legally valid reason). In your case the reason was that they had a reason to suspect your purchase might be fraudulent - and they have clear evidence of that.
That's it. End of story. There's nothing more to it.
(Unless you are prepared to take them to court and can clearly prove that you were discriminated against because you are a member of a protected class. Of course, you would be laughed out of the courtroom as they will be able to point to thousands of other members of any protected class who they are happy to sell to.)
Here's the gist of it: You do NOT have any legal right to force a business to do business with you, period. (Unless you can prove they are denying you specifically because you are a member of a protected class).
By the way, I'm sure if you had pulled out a stack of cash and offered that as a form of payment, they would have been more than happy to complete your transaction (and I'm sure they would point that out if challenged). What you were trying to do, and failed, was to force them to accept your preferred method of payment. Are you going to whip out your pocket Constitution and show them the part where it says they must accept your (declined) credit card?
Good luck.
You are 100%, completely, utterly and totally wrong. You simply do not understand civil rights or civil rights law. At all.
I'll keep it short and simple for you: it's true that no business can discriminate against someone on the basis of their ethnic background, religion, disability, etc. (these are known as a "protected classes" - that's not a complete list, and depending on where you live, there may be other protected classes).
That has absolutely nothing to do with your experience at Simon.
You were not denied service because you were a member of a protected class.
You were denied service for another reason. That reason could be that they simply don't like you (yes, that's a legally valid reason). In your case the reason was that they had a reason to suspect your purchase might be fraudulent - and they have clear evidence of that.
That's it. End of story. There's nothing more to it.
(Unless you are prepared to take them to court and can clearly prove that you were discriminated against because you are a member of a protected class. Of course, you would be laughed out of the courtroom as they will be able to point to thousands of other members of any protected class who they are happy to sell to.)
Here's the gist of it: You do NOT have any legal right to force a business to do business with you, period. (Unless you can prove they are denying you specifically because you are a member of a protected class).
By the way, I'm sure if you had pulled out a stack of cash and offered that as a form of payment, they would have been more than happy to complete your transaction (and I'm sure they would point that out if challenged). What you were trying to do, and failed, was to force them to accept your preferred method of payment. Are you going to whip out your pocket Constitution and show them the part where it says they must accept your (declined) credit card?
Good luck.
Last edited by danhouston; Feb 20, 2017 at 1:59 pm