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riversidetom Aug 5, 2014 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by queensgambit (Post 23299614)
Am I able to use my Citi Executive on Amazon Payments to accrue spend for bonus? I had hit the minimum spend using $1k on AP and received this msg from Citi:

Dear xxxx,

Thank you for using our Secure Messaging Center.

Your purchases of 2 Amazon payments of $500.00 do not qualify as purchases towards the promotional offer you are enrolled in at this time.

This is now known as QUEEN'S GAMBIT DECLINED

maverick915 Aug 5, 2014 7:42 pm


Originally Posted by riversidetom (Post 23315261)
This is now known as QUEEN'S GAMBIT DECLINED

Chess jokes

queensgambit Aug 7, 2014 4:27 pm

Currently I send a>b where a is my own credentials. B is my brothers and I use his cc to send b>c. C is my mother's. All diff addresses and ip. Can I use c back to a but using a credit card in my own name? Note this is not a card I have used on accounts a or b.

duranza Aug 7, 2014 5:47 pm

I used my new AACiti card and got this on the transaction 08-07-2014

BUSINESS SERVICES,NOT ELSEWHERE CLASSED

Quite different posting than the last time I used AP on my Citi Thank You Rewards card.

zceuxbhjutf Aug 7, 2014 6:01 pm


Originally Posted by frudd38 (Post 23310910)
I've been to doing A <-> B for awhile, we have last name (dad) but different address/checking/etc. Just realized his address is on my profile because it was tied to my amazon.com account, thus leaking into amazon payments. Didn't seem like an issue before but now I'm more weary of logging in with amazon.com over there or even adding the address back in to ship things..

If A <-> B means A>B and B>A then it doesn't matter what addresses, accounts, IPs, etc. That's a two account closed loop and it has no explanation other than MS. If A was loaning money to B at the beginning of the month and B was paying it back at the end, then it wouldn't be "Goods and Services".

With only two accounts, just do one payment in one direction. Good luck!

Mamibear Aug 7, 2014 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by queensgambit (Post 23327636)
Currently I send a>b where a is my own credentials. B is my brothers and I use his cc to send b>c. C is my mother's. All diff addresses and ip. Can I use c back to a but using a credit card in my own name? Note this is not a card I have used on accounts a or b.

If C is your mother, I'm not sure how she can use a CC in your name to send money to you. Sounds like asking for a shutdown, if you ask me.

queensgambit Aug 7, 2014 11:02 pm


Originally Posted by Mamibear (Post 23328253)
If C is your mother, I'm not sure how she can use a CC in your name to send money to you. Sounds like asking for a shutdown, if you ask me.

I agree it is risky and I probably won't do it. Thinking of just using simon mall vgcs or if those won't work then not using c to send at all and just doing A>B>C(cashout).

MadMadso Aug 8, 2014 9:26 am

A=> B
 
Just wondering how joint accounts work. If I send $$ to my son from acct A to B, and I am also listed on the B account, is that a problem? Would amazon have any way of knowing that I am also on that acct?

roki Aug 8, 2014 9:28 am


Originally Posted by MadMadso (Post 23331078)
Just wondering how joint accounts work. If I send $$ to my son from acct A to B, and I am also listed on the B account, is that a problem? Would amazon have any way of knowing that I am also on that acct?

What account? Amazon, CC, bank?

maternts Aug 8, 2014 9:37 am


Originally Posted by duranza (Post 23327975)
I used my new AACiti card and got this on the transaction 08-07-2014

BUSINESS SERVICES,NOT ELSEWHERE CLASSED

Quite different posting than the last time I used AP on my Citi Thank You Rewards card.

I just did an AP using my AACiti and received the same posting.

The AP transaction was what put me over the minimum spend. My statement comes out on the 11th and the balance is paid off, so I'll let you know if the change in the way they post AP caused any issues with my miles posting.

Bean Aug 8, 2014 9:45 am

Wow.... some of you are making this MUCH more difficult than it needs to be.
Many of us, myself included, have been doing A-B for years with no issues. Two people, same last name, different bank accounts...full $1K each way every time.

We're talking about Amazon here...one of the largest online retailers and a very well-run company with lots of IT talent. Do you honestly think changing the IP addresses you use and altering the amounts to under $1K hides anything from them? If they wanted to, they could very easily look at accounts and determine who is using it for MS.

I just went back and looked at my records. My first $1K transfer was in Feb., 2011.
I've done full $1K each way since then...with maybe a month or two missed here or there. So either I am just lucky or Amazon doesn't really care.

If you want to do A-B-C-D-E-Grandma-Uncle Joey-A....by all means, knock yourself out. But don't kid yourself into thinking you are outsmarting them with this tactic. If anything, I'd argue this looks more suspicious and brings more attention to your account.

Eventually this will dry up anyway...so why make it more difficult than it needs to be?

zceuxbhjutf Aug 8, 2014 10:01 am


Originally Posted by Bean (Post 23331177)
If anything, I'd argue [A-B-C-D-E-A] looks more suspicious and brings more attention to your account.

Good rant, and the datapoint is certainly appreciated. But your notion of how computer logic detects loops is bizarre.

IDM79 Aug 8, 2014 11:42 am


Originally Posted by Bean (Post 23331177)
Wow.... some of you are making this MUCH more difficult than it needs to be.
Many of us, myself included, have been doing A-B for years with no issues. Two people, same last name, different bank accounts...full $1K each way every time.

We're talking about Amazon here...one of the largest online retailers and a very well-run company with lots of IT talent. Do you honestly think changing the IP addresses you use and altering the amounts to under $1K hides anything from them? If they wanted to, they could very easily look at accounts and determine who is using it for MS.

I just went back and looked at my records. My first $1K transfer was in Feb., 2011.
I've done full $1K each way since then...with maybe a month or two missed here or there. So either I am just lucky or Amazon doesn't really care.

If you want to do A-B-C-D-E-Grandma-Uncle Joey-A....by all means, knock yourself out. But don't kid yourself into thinking you are outsmarting them with this tactic. If anything, I'd argue this looks more suspicious and brings more attention to your account.

Eventually this will dry up anyway...so why make it more difficult than it needs to be?

Ditto that. Not sure how this idea that the more people you shuffle your payment through the further under the radar you are. If you feel uncomfortable having someone return the money right back to you, feel free to add one go-between. Why add any more? What good does A>B>C>D>E>...>A do? I think the much bigger flag to worry about is your account showing a steady $1,000 sent / $1,000 received regardless of who is sending you that $1,000. Such a routine is fairly obvious and therefore like the poster said above, shows they really don't care at this point.
But these boards tend to attract more of those who seem to enjoy making things much more difficult than needed.
And for those, carry on and have fun...

zceuxbhjutf Aug 8, 2014 11:54 am

Adam does 1000 goods and services
Baker does 934.24 goods and services
These were real spending, not manufactured.

Baker bought something for 934.24, obviously.
What Adam bought could have been 1000, but it also could have been ANY NUMBER OVER 1000. He would have to pay the remainder some other way, due to a decision that all of America is subject to, that was not made by Adam, it was made by Amazon.

Therefore, even if noone in America did MS, Amazon would see way way more 1000s than any other number. Commerce isn't really that hard to understand, folks.

ACVid Aug 8, 2014 12:34 pm


Originally Posted by duranza (Post 23327975)
I used my new AACiti card and got this on the transaction 08-07-2014

BUSINESS SERVICES,NOT ELSEWHERE CLASSED

Quite different posting than the last time I used AP on my Citi Thank You Rewards card.

It is posted the same with my Citi Exec and miles posted without any issues.


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