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mrmandel Jun 16, 2014 9:38 pm


Originally Posted by tomcanada22 (Post 23046153)
Not sure why Amazon will shut you down using Serve? I would have thought it would be the other way around, that Serve might shut you down instead of Amz as Serve only accepts a real credit card link? Maybe I' m wrong here?

I'm not sure if linking Serve was the culprit in any way. Just adding a data point.

tomcanada22 Jun 16, 2014 9:45 pm


Originally Posted by mrmandel (Post 23046280)
I'm not sure if linking Serve was the culprit in any way. Just adding a data point.


Any thoughts why Amz shut you down?

tomcanada22 Jun 16, 2014 9:49 pm


Originally Posted by MaineCoon (Post 23046253)
IP tracking is a forum legend.


Maybe not as some have reported no other reason other than using same computer- same IP address for transactions. Just saying this could be a trigger if they are doing random audits.

MaineCoon Jun 16, 2014 9:51 pm


Originally Posted by tomcanada22 (Post 23046335)
Maybe not as some have reported no other reason other than using same computer- same IP address for transactions. Just saying this could be a trigger if they are doing random audits.

maybe yes as I never bother to change my IP.

But whatever warms your heart, do as you pleased :D

DaveInLA Jun 17, 2014 10:21 am


Originally Posted by TravelJunky2024 (Post 23044404)
I just setup an AP scheme with family consisting of the following:

A>B>C>D>E>A

Some of the people have the same last name
There is a total of 3 different addresses between everyone.

Has anyone heard of people getting shut down for sending payments to others with the same last name or home address?

I'm trying to strategize if I should separate people by last name or home address, both, or if neither matter.

Thanks for the help.

Mine is very similar, 5 total accounts, 3 addresses, 3 last names between all of us. Me, my wife, my sister, her husband, my mother. Been doing it for 3 months now. Hopefully it stays alive.

thegasguru Jun 17, 2014 11:06 am


Originally Posted by MaineCoon (Post 23046253)
IP tracking is a forum legend.

I respectfully disagree.

I have 10 accounts that have been successfully paying each other in a circle for nearly 2 years now. Each has it's own IP address. For June, I got in a hurry and forgot to change to the assigned IP address for account "C", and logged into the account from an IP address that was in a different geographic location than usual. A few days later, I received these emails:

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Greetings from Amazon Payments.

At registration we collect information related to our customers, such as name, address, date of birth, social security number and EIN. This information is used to verify the account holder’s identity. We were unable to verify the information you provided during account registration.

In order to verify your identity information and to be able to start transacting using your Amazon payments account, please login to your account and submit the requested information.

Thank you for your assistance in this matter and for using Amazon Payments.

- The Amazon Payments Team

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Greetings from Amazon Payments.

We appreciate your use of Amazon Payments. Unfortunately, we have been unable to confirm your account information. This may be because you failed to respond to our past requests for more information or we could not confirm identity information provided by you.

In either case, we are now required to restrict your Amazon Payments account features.

We apologize for any resulting inconvenience and appreciate your understanding of our need to take this action.

Please sign in to your account and contact us should you have any questions about our need to take this action.

- The Amazon Payments Team

--------------

Thankfully I was able to reproduce the data I used when I created the account, and got it restored. But if I hadn't kept good records, and had forgotten the address, SSN, driver's lic number, etc. that I "used" to create the account, I would have been stone cold shut down.

Again, the ONLY difference in activity this month from the previous couple of years was the location of the IP address that I used.

sechs Jun 17, 2014 3:38 pm


Originally Posted by thegasguru (Post 23049223)
Again, the ONLY difference in activity this month from the previous couple of years was the location of the IP address that I used.

That really doesn't mean anything. Tons of people have done transactions using the same IP address for as long with no issues.

At best, it's just a hint at unacceptable behavior. It's neither necessary nor sufficient for a shutdown.

thegasguru Jun 17, 2014 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by MaineCoon (Post 23046253)
IP tracking is a forum legend.


Originally Posted by thegasguru (Post 23049223)
I respectfully disagree.

Again, the ONLY difference in activity this month from the previous couple of years was the location of the IP address that I used.


Originally Posted by sechs (Post 23050965)
That really doesn't mean anything. Tons of people have done transactions using the same IP address for as long with no issues.

At best, it's just a hint at unacceptable behavior. It's neither necessary nor sufficient for a shutdown.

Tomato, tomAHto. Some people get away with using the same IP address. Other people have problems due to IP tracking. Including me. To say that my experience really doesn't mean anything is to simply ignore the facts. The ONLY change in my pattern in the past year was the IP address, and that change set off AP's trip wires. The opinion of whether it was necessary or sufficient for a shutdown is irrelevant...AP explicitly stated that they would shut me down if I did not comply with their request for further information.

Either way, to say that IP tracking is a forum legend is simply false. It's not an absolute shut down flag, but it's also not a myth.

MaineCoon Jun 17, 2014 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by thegasguru (Post 23052029)

Either way, to say that IP tracking is a forum legend is simply false. It's not an absolute shut down flag, but it's also not a myth.

Maybe.

Or maybe not.

Maybe it was just your time/turn to became a target.

Not much room for the argument since we don't know how the Bezos tribe operates.

You do what works for you.

I'll do what works for me.

Domat Jun 17, 2014 8:37 pm

This whole conversation about ips is absurd. They have your drivers license, your ss number, your address. It should be child's play for Amazon to shut down everyone with a duplicate account. For some reason they are not doing so.

MaineCoon Jun 17, 2014 8:48 pm


Originally Posted by Domat (Post 23052424)
This whole conversation about ips is absurd. They have your drivers license, your ss number, your address. It should be child's play for Amazon to shut down everyone with a duplicate account. For some reason they are not doing so.

Yep.

One simple automated SQL query, done.

thegasguru Jun 17, 2014 9:19 pm


Originally Posted by MaineCoon (Post 23052468)
Yep.

One simple automated SQL query, done.

Agreed.

Songer5 Jun 18, 2014 3:21 am

FYI - in case it helps people, there's a difference between the IP address on your local network/router vs the public IP you're really connected to the internet as (cable/phone provider).

Running ipconfig from the command line - your IP address on your local network/router,

For the public IP - http://www.whatismyip.com/

AlohaDaveKennedy Jun 18, 2014 6:11 am

Call me a suspicious old auditor, but maybe the NSA pays Amazon a commission per account information collected. More accounts = more money? Naw, our government would never do anything like that....


Originally Posted by Domat (Post 23052424)
This whole conversation about ips is absurd. They have your drivers license, your ss number, your address. It should be child's play for Amazon to shut down everyone with a duplicate account. For some reason they are not doing so.


thegasguru Jun 18, 2014 6:37 pm


Originally Posted by MaineCoon (Post 23046342)
maybe yes as I never bother to change my IP.

But whatever warms your heart, do as you pleased :D

I remember when I used to tell people about things that were "forum legends" regarding MVD.

And then I got shut down.

Either way, I hope your approach to AP works long and prospers.


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