Mar 17, 2014, 3:08 pm
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MH370 Discussion and Speculation Thread
May 7, 2014, 12:26 pm
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I think sound underwater can travel differently due to currents and storms
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/11/tech/i...erwater-sound/
Interesting poll here
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5278231.html
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/11/tech/i...erwater-sound/
Interesting poll here
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5278231.html
May 9, 2014, 6:08 am
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I think sound underwater can travel differently due to currents and storms
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/11/tech/i...erwater-sound/
Interesting poll here
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5278231.html
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/11/tech/i...erwater-sound/
Interesting poll here
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014...n_5278231.html
May 10, 2014, 5:18 pm
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A very interesting read here from The Atlantic.
It's the best explanation I've seen of how the Immarsat data was crunched, how the conclusions were drawn, and what parts of the data remain problematic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolog...old-up/361826/
It's the best explanation I've seen of how the Immarsat data was crunched, how the conclusions were drawn, and what parts of the data remain problematic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolog...old-up/361826/
May 11, 2014, 4:57 am
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A very interesting read here from The Atlantic.
It's the best explanation I've seen of how the Immarsat data was crunched, how the conclusions were drawn, and what parts of the data remain problematic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolog...old-up/361826/
It's the best explanation I've seen of how the Immarsat data was crunched, how the conclusions were drawn, and what parts of the data remain problematic.
http://www.theatlantic.com/technolog...old-up/361826/
May 11, 2014, 3:24 pm
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May 11, 2014, 8:39 pm
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Data is more or less by definition empirical and hence subject to error. I still don't have much of an idea of how much error is possible, how likely various errors are or if they know themselves.
May 12, 2014, 12:05 am
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Not strictly related to the search, but Inmarsat are apparently proposing a free basic service to help with aircraft tracking in the future: http://bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27369288
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May 12, 2014, 5:36 am
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I'm sorry if this has already been covered on this forum. I am rather confused by the fact that a couple of weeks ago it was thought that the signals from the black box were being picked up and it was stated that theses signals could not have been from anything else. I also understand that the signal from the BB could only travel about 3km. Now we are told that "it is back to square one". If the signals were being picked up surely the plane is within 3km of where the ship was that picked up the signal and it should be "nearby". Have I missed the news item saying these were not the signals from the BB?
Even if the Inmarsat data were 100% error-free, the conclusions require assumptions about speed and whether the speed and heading were constant or changing. Thus there is necessarily considerable uncertainty involved.
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May 12, 2014, 9:09 am
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Not strictly related to the search, but Inmarsat are apparently proposing a free basic service to help with aircraft tracking in the future: http://bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-27369288
May 13, 2014, 5:27 pm
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Woods Hole Oceanographic Inst: Robotic Deep-sea Vehicle Lost on Dive to 6-Mile Depth
While not part of the MH-370 search, this press release illustrates the difficulty of searching ocean floors:
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute
News Release: Robotic Deep-sea Vehicle Lost on Dive to 6-Mile Depth - Scientists think Nereus imploded exploring the Kermadec Trench
May 10, 2014
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute
News Release: Robotic Deep-sea Vehicle Lost on Dive to 6-Mile Depth - Scientists think Nereus imploded exploring the Kermadec Trench
May 10, 2014
On Saturday, May 10, 2014, at 2 p.m. local time (10 p.m. Friday EDT), the hybrid remotely operated vehicle Nereus was confirmed lost at 9,990 meters (6.2 miles) depth in the Kermadec Trench northeast of New Zealand. The unmanned vehicle was working as part of a mission to explore the ocean's hadal region from 6,000 to nearly 11,000 meters deep. Scientists say a portion of it likely imploded under pressure as great as 16,000 pounds per square inch.
May 14, 2014, 8:29 am
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While not part of the MH-370 search, this press release illustrates the difficulty of searching ocean floors:
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute
News Release: Robotic Deep-sea Vehicle Lost on Dive to 6-Mile Depth - Scientists think Nereus imploded exploring the Kermadec Trench
May 10, 2014
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute
News Release: Robotic Deep-sea Vehicle Lost on Dive to 6-Mile Depth - Scientists think Nereus imploded exploring the Kermadec Trench
May 10, 2014
May 14, 2014, 12:07 pm
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