Jul 17, 2014, 9:40 am
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Malaysia Airlines MH 17 crash in Ukraine (17 July 2014 - PLEASE READ WIKI, FAQ)
Jul 17, 2014, 1:45 pm
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Twelve black boxes on the 777? I had thought that there was just the flight data recorder (the real black box) plus a cockpit voice recorder, usually covering just the last thirty minutes of flight.
Jul 17, 2014, 1:45 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 1:46 pm
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Wouldn't you if you were being accused of mass murder. Wouldn't be surprised if they all turn out to be totally corrupted so well never know if it was shot down or not (I'm assuming the wreckage will be dealt with the same way, goodness know what will happen to the bodies)
Jul 17, 2014, 1:47 pm
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I would doubt it has its own staff there for one flight a day. Might be handled by KL, or by a ground handling outfit such as Menzies or ServisAir, possibly in MH uniforms or not.
Jul 17, 2014, 1:47 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 1:48 pm
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The area is held by pro-russian separatist rebels - they won't let the Ukrainian government agencies in to investigate or perform search/rescue/recovery operations, so seems only natural that they would send the black boxes to the government they consider friendly (not saying that this is the correct thing to do, but makes sense looking at the current political situation in the region).
Jul 17, 2014, 1:48 pm
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Apparently MH17 was operating at FL330 or so, 1,000 feet above the zone closed because of hostilities, and may have deviated from flight plan owing to weather, ascending or descending. Investigators will have to judge whether it was negligent to fly the aircraft within 1,000 feet of closed airspace and possible trouble.
Is it possible to work out what an air corridor looks like from a site like Skyvectors?
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Jul 17, 2014, 1:50 pm
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Correct. MH was just a partner of DL and apparently still is a KLM partner.
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Jul 17, 2014, 1:51 pm
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I think chances are pretty high they have no idea what a blackbox looks like in the first place. (isn't it yellow, anyway?) - considering they have no concept of what constitutes a threat (a low-flying military plane) and what doesn't (a high-altitude flyover by a civilian aircraft). This is, assuming the rebels are responsible - which is speculation, at present.
Jul 17, 2014, 1:51 pm
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Wouldn't you if you were being accused of mass murder. Wouldn't be surprised if they all turn out to be totally corrupted so well never know if it was shot down or not (I'm assuming the wreckage will be dealt with the same way, goodness know what will happen to the bodies)