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Old Jul 17, 2014, 12:56 pm
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There was a post that said that SQ351 (B777) and AI113 (B787) were only about 25 KM away from this plane when it got hit. Wonder if any of the pilots of these planes could then be witnesses.
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 12:57 pm
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I literally felt sick as I read the news about this.

Deepest sympathies to the families affected by this horrendous tragedy. May the victims rest in peace.

This definitely can't be good for MH or diplomatic relations between Russia and the West. Hopefully it doesn't escalate to more senseless violence.
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 12:59 pm
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If the rebels are not letting investigators / police get to the debris field now, which country will have the authority to force their way in? US? Russia? Malaysia? At some point, they'll have to collect the bodies, debris for investigation, right?
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by adamak
If the rebels are not letting investigators / police get to the debris field now, which country will have the authority to force their way in?
Any country other than Ukraine will need approval either via a U.N. resolution or by Ukraine itself.
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:05 pm
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I am emotionally disturbed after seeing the news 3 hours ago

Today, all the pursuits for Miles, Elite status, premium cabins flying, etc... they all seem so insignificant now

I can only hope those aboard passed away quickly without pain, and in comparison with MH370, their families have somewhat of a closure, even though a missile-attack is hard to swallow than an accident

May the victims rest in peace
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:06 pm
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Any country other than Ukraine will need approval either via a U.N. resolution or by Ukraine itself.
I think the problem right now is that Ukraine isn't being allowed in. Separatists have control over the area.
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:08 pm
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I think the problem right now is that Ukraine isn't being allowed in. Separatists have control over the area.
It still does not allow any foreign country to intervene on its own.
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:09 pm
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Other than here on FT, what are generally thought to be the best, credible, and informed news sources? There's so much info/speculation flying around online, Twitter, etc.
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:10 pm
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The organisation for leading the air incident investigation team should be:

National Bureau for Incidents and Accidents Investigation
of Civil Aircraft (NBAAI)
Prospekt Peremohy 14
01135 Kyiv, Ukraine

Tel.: (380) 44 351-4338 (24 hrs)
E-mail: [email protected]
Fax: (380) 44 351-4338 (24 hrs)
AFTN: UKKKYLYX
Website: www.nbaai.gov.ua
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:10 pm
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ITAR-TASS: EU closes Ukrainian airspace for civilian flights
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by OskiBear
Other than here on FT, what are generally thought to be the best, credible, and informed news sources? There's so much info/speculation flying around online, Twitter, etc.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-28354787

There's sometimes a trade off between speed and accuracy. BBC tends to be more of the latter.
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Temedar
It still does not allow any foreign country to intervene on its own.
Per BBC, "Russia's emergency services have reportedly asked the Ukrainian government for permission to work at the crash site."
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:12 pm
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Historically the BBC has been proven to be credible and less sensational than many. It's where I usually go for thoughtful analysis of news events.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-28354787
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:14 pm
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incredible to think that ukraine hosted the euro 2012 championships only 2 years ago and now the country is beset by such problems in the east
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Old Jul 17, 2014, 1:15 pm
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For propaganda not correct journalism
Very sad and showing no respect for the victims!

The video (News TV) showing the many collected Dutch passports (among them showing photos of 2 young Dutch citizens with names, birth days + the Malaysian passport with personal data and photo) and the Malaysian one was done with the following purpose: "You see they are killing everyone, you see they are killing even children, even from Nederland ..".
The voice in the video is telling something like open (the passport) it, keep it, don't move, show the other children (foto), take the Malaysian passport show it ...
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