Jul 17, 2014, 9:40 am
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Malaysia Airlines MH 17 crash in Ukraine (17 July 2014 - PLEASE READ WIKI, FAQ)
Jul 17, 2014, 12:43 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 12:43 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 12:44 pm
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It's completely unclear to me why, despite all that, there are so many Ukrainian planes flying around the area. Especially with airspace closed (below 7,900m) to civilian flights - isn't that indication that, well, the SAMs are not screwing around? Why would there be BOTH an Il and an An in the area?
Jul 17, 2014, 12:45 pm
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I wouldn't imagine a plane hit by a missile immediately explodes, does it? There is probably X seconds between impact and complete decompression.
Jul 17, 2014, 12:46 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 12:47 pm
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Right, but the procedure for a SAM launch is probably different in the Ukranian army and the separatist militia. The separatists - in theory - could have taken it for a Ukrainian military airplane, but not vice versa
Jul 17, 2014, 12:50 pm
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This incident is really frightening as I didn't think planes could be hit at cruise altitude.
In any event, my deepest condolence to the families of MH17.
Jul 17, 2014, 12:50 pm
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Messy situation to say the least..
Jul 17, 2014, 12:50 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 12:52 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 12:52 pm
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Oh I'm sure the military planes don't require permission, but seriously, what sort of planning is that? "Rebels are shooting down our planes daily, so uh, let's send some more in there." Admittedly, I don't know what's going on over there at this point, but it just doesn't seem logical to provide reinforcements by plane if they have such a high incidence of successful takedowns.
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Jul 17, 2014, 12:55 pm
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A reminder of the guidelines established in the wikipost, and that noncomplying posts will be summarily deleted; moderators do not have the time to do a lot of editing, much less PMing members requesting them to edit their posts.
Those wishing to pursue political discussions and eligible for OMNI/PR can read and post in this thread: MH 777 Crashes In Ukraine - Official In Kiev Claims Airliner Shot Down By Separatists in OMNI/PR.
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Those wishing to pursue political discussions and eligible for OMNI/PR can read and post in this thread: MH 777 Crashes In Ukraine - Official In Kiev Claims Airliner Shot Down By Separatists in OMNI/PR.
In addition, those who repeatedly fail to comply with FlyerTalk Rules or the guidelines for this thread, may be subjected to FlyerTalk disciplinary actions and have membership privileges suspended, forum masks, etc.
FT MH 017 / Other Asian, Australian, and South Pacific Forum Moderation Team:
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cblaisd
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As with the earlier MH370 thread, please observe the following in this thread:
1. The normal FT Rules apply. (Including not discussing moderation actions on-thread). And please be particularly attentive to "discussing the idea and not the poster" when you have a disagreement. Civility and mutual respect are still expected and are what we owe each other as a community.
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4. Overly / extravagantly exaggerative posts such as conspiracy theories, posts beyond the realm of science and known facts, etc. as well as posts with information that has been posted several times previously may be deleted.
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1. The normal FT Rules apply. (Including not discussing moderation actions on-thread). And please be particularly attentive to "discussing the idea and not the poster" when you have a disagreement. Civility and mutual respect are still expected and are what we owe each other as a community.
2. You are expected to respect our diversity, and therefore refrain from posting inflammatory comments about race, religion, culture, politics, ethnicity, orientation, etc." Do not cite, copy, or report on such.
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cblaisd,
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Last edited by JDiver; Jul 17, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Jul 17, 2014, 12:55 pm
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My thoughts are with all those involved, the people on board as well as the families left behind.
Last edited by aBroadAbroad; Jul 17, 2014 at 1:00 pm Reason: Insensitive