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Malaysia Airlines MH 17 crash in Ukraine (17 July 2014 - PLEASE READ WIKI, FAQ)
Jul 17, 2014, 1:17 pm
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According to the BBC :
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-28354787
MH did not ignore no fly zone. There was none.
The International Air Transport Association says the plane appeared to be flying through ordinary airspace when it crashed. "Based on the information currently available, it is believed that the airspace that the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions," the association said in a statement.
MH did not ignore no fly zone. There was none.
Jul 17, 2014, 1:17 pm
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For propaganda not correct journalist information
Very sad and showing no respect for victims
The video (News TV) showing the collected Dutch passports (showing photos of 2 young Dutch citizens with names, birth days + the photo of a Malaysian passport with personal data and photo) and the Malaysian one was done with the following purpose: "You see they are killing everyone, you see they are killing even children, even from Nederland ..".
The voice in the video is telling something like open (the passport) it, keep it, don't move, show the other children (foto), take the Malaysian passport show it ...
Very sad and showing no respect for victims
The video (News TV) showing the collected Dutch passports (showing photos of 2 young Dutch citizens with names, birth days + the photo of a Malaysian passport with personal data and photo) and the Malaysian one was done with the following purpose: "You see they are killing everyone, you see they are killing even children, even from Nederland ..".
The voice in the video is telling something like open (the passport) it, keep it, don't move, show the other children (foto), take the Malaysian passport show it ...
Jul 17, 2014, 1:21 pm
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A Ukrainian website posted intercepted conversations between the Russian rebels. I am not sure whether links are allowed but to summarize - somebody reporting to someone probably in command that they have shot down a plane. The report was made at 4:40pm Kiev time. They said that they shot down a plane 30 minutes prior.
The recording then cuts to after they inspected the site and came to the realization that they shot a civilian aircraft. The sound very distressed and swear a lot. Report that the plane broke down in the air. Confirm that it is a civil aircraft (which did not move the listener at all). The person says that aircraft parts were falling onto residential houses. The listener has the audacity to ask whether there were any weapons on the plane even after learning that it was a passenger one (they probably did not realize what they've done at that point).
This is just horrible...
I can post a link to the Russian language recording if it is allowed.
I am not sure how trustworthy it is.
The recording then cuts to after they inspected the site and came to the realization that they shot a civilian aircraft. The sound very distressed and swear a lot. Report that the plane broke down in the air. Confirm that it is a civil aircraft (which did not move the listener at all). The person says that aircraft parts were falling onto residential houses. The listener has the audacity to ask whether there were any weapons on the plane even after learning that it was a passenger one (they probably did not realize what they've done at that point).
This is just horrible...
I can post a link to the Russian language recording if it is allowed.
I am not sure how trustworthy it is.
Jul 17, 2014, 1:22 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 1:24 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 1:25 pm
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I hope that they didn't collect passports off the bodies but have found them separately (do you carry your Passport on you while in flight? Mine is typically in my seatpocket, bag and/or overhead bin). [redacted] Watching those (terrible) pictures had me hope that someone could have survived, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case.
My thoughts are with all those involved, the people on board as well as the families left behind.
My thoughts are with all those involved, the people on board as well as the families left behind.
I really hope that, if nothing else, the bodies and effects of the deceased will be swiftly returned to their families
Jul 17, 2014, 1:26 pm
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True, however, if proven to be shot down by pro-Russia separatists, this incident can become very problematic for China, who is trying to maintain a cordial relation with Malaysia - whose support China really needs in a region full of territorial conflicts. At the same time, China is already walking a delicate balance on how to justify or at least, not condemn the separatists' action without alienating Russia or Ukraine - think of an elephant gliding on a balloon with one foot in a circus. Plus, another downed Malaysian jet is a painful reminder there is still 100+ Chinese missing from the missing jet and could reignite pressure domestically to do something more. Things would have been a lot worse if this were a U.S. airliner, say a U.S. airliner enroute to TLV however, a downed MH aircraft in this case, is really not that much better because of the above mentioned ramifications.
Jul 17, 2014, 1:27 pm
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After posting this based on their Facebook post. I saw the image below which is from flightradar24. I'm wondering if they updated their flight plans for their other flights after MH17 disappeared. Just perusing through flightradar24, it looks like some SQ flights did got through Ukranian airspace assuming the data on flightradar24 is correct. The flights I noticed were SQ305 LHRSIN and SQ323 AMSSIN.
http://t.co/BVDMlqGOjG
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Jul 17, 2014, 1:27 pm
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Of course this does not guarantee that today's one is real. Seems to be available here now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g
Jul 17, 2014, 1:30 pm
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Even though MH left SkyTeam for oneworld, MH and KLM are still partners under a bilateral agreement.
Jul 17, 2014, 1:31 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 1:33 pm
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The source is said (I can't confirm) to have posted geniune recordings before.
Of course this does not guarantee that today's one is real. Seems to be available here now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g
Of course this does not guarantee that today's one is real. Seems to be available here now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5E8kDo2n6g