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Malaysia Airlines MH 17 crash in Ukraine (17 July 2014 - PLEASE READ WIKI, FAQ)
Jul 17, 2014, 3:10 pm
#526
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If they're going to operate the flight it kind of has to go through Ukranian airspace. Further, it's probably now full of media and government / airline officials so they probably went out of their way to operate the flight (and not cancel it) so those people could get on the ground as soon as possible.
Jul 17, 2014, 3:10 pm
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Jul 17, 2014, 3:10 pm
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I know that this sounds very shallow, and it is, but seeing than many Aussies on board chills my soul.. I imagine many were connecting in KL on the way home.. Here but for fate it could have been a loved one (and I am checking now!)
Makes me mad and sad and sick all at the same time.. I only hope, that if this was the act of some one or people, that they are bought to quick and appropriate justice.
I know that this sounds very shallow, and it is, but seeing than many Aussies on board chills my soul.. I imagine many were connecting in KL on the way home.. Here but for fate it could have been a loved one (and I am checking now!)
Makes me mad and sad and sick all at the same time.. I only hope, that if this was the act of some one or people, that they are bought to quick and appropriate justice.
Jul 17, 2014, 3:13 pm
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To be honest, I'm surprised to find out it wasn't already closed. When I fly from Europe to the Middle East I always get a diversion around Syria, which is about equally dangerous (as is now sadly proven) to the east of Ukraine.
Jul 17, 2014, 3:13 pm
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The rebels attacked the Ukrainian border posts early on and took control of many of them. Regardless of this the border is long and salaries small. Heavy weapons have been coming in somehow, as is absolutely clear when you look at the list of 11 Ukrainian aircraft that have been shot down in the last 7 weeks.
So it's either repossessed Ukrainian gear, or coming over the border from Russia.
Jul 17, 2014, 3:15 pm
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in those parts of the world, the word "retired" usually means active duty but with temporary removal of rank on special important assignment for the state
with so many Dutch victims onboard... I'm so sad... Can't recall another airplane crash with so many Dutch victims... probably not since Tenerife?(which I still remember vividly)
with so many Dutch victims onboard... I'm so sad... Can't recall another airplane crash with so many Dutch victims... probably not since Tenerife?(which I still remember vividly)
Jul 17, 2014, 3:15 pm
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I don't think it sounds shallow - when one's countrymen are involved it just brings the incident closer to home - I had the same reaction when I saw the Australian passport in the footage linked up thread. It doesn't mean that you or I value the Australian lives any more than those of the other passengers, (my thoughts go out to all the families and friends of those aboard), just that it's easier to relate to them. I have in the past used AMS as a connection point between AU & EU, and if anything I was expecting there to be more Aussies aboard.
Jul 17, 2014, 3:16 pm
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Syria is known to have extensive anti-aircraft missile batteries
Jul 17, 2014, 3:17 pm
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Unconfirmed video footage of the plane being shot down.
Anybody speaks Russian/Ukraïnian here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWDGIRqmKsg
Anybody speaks Russian/Ukraïnian here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWDGIRqmKsg
Jul 17, 2014, 3:18 pm
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Libya, just a couple years ago, IIRC 109, just 1 boy survived the accident.
Jul 17, 2014, 3:19 pm
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in those parts of the world, the word "retired" usually means active duty but with temporary removal of rank on special important assignment for the state
with so many Dutch victims onboard... I'm so sad... Can't recall another airplane crash with so many Dutch victims... probably not since Tenerife?(which I still remember vividly)
with so many Dutch victims onboard... I'm so sad... Can't recall another airplane crash with so many Dutch victims... probably not since Tenerife?(which I still remember vividly)
Jul 17, 2014, 3:26 pm
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Unconfirmed video footage of the plane being shot down.
Anybody speaks Russian/Ukraïnian here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWDGIRqmKsg
Anybody speaks Russian/Ukraïnian here?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWDGIRqmKsg
Jul 17, 2014, 3:27 pm
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Berbound,
Tks, think it was 109 Total.
MH 16 Left KUL (30 minutes delay).
It is not sure if MH17 Will depart tomorrow (depends on crew).
Checkin staff has been informed by my employer what happened.
Also senior staff MH on board with family on his way to Malaysia for holiday.
Airport crisiscentre Will be open 24/7 for familymembers.
Tks, think it was 109 Total.
MH 16 Left KUL (30 minutes delay).
It is not sure if MH17 Will depart tomorrow (depends on crew).
Checkin staff has been informed by my employer what happened.
Also senior staff MH on board with family on his way to Malaysia for holiday.
Airport crisiscentre Will be open 24/7 for familymembers.