Nov 12, 2019, 6:52 am
Last edit by: ACflyerDE
The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
New qualifying points system for status from 2024
Dec 22, 2020, 10:48 am
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Dec 22, 2020, 11:23 am
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Dec 22, 2020, 2:51 pm
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I would suggest you buy yourself a crystal ball for Christmas & share the results, it’s likely to be the most updated answer to your questions since we are clearly in the grip of a global pandemic & no one knows what’s going to happen next
Dec 22, 2020, 3:40 pm
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.... In fact, I won't be buying a crystal ball. Instead, I asked a simple question here to see if anyone cares to share ideas or insights on when the new status structure might come in, or perhaps just to speculate a bit. Don't worry if that's not you. Well done for noticing that a pandemic is in progress, though.
Dec 23, 2020, 1:35 am
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.... In fact, I won't be buying a crystal ball. Instead, I asked a simple question here to see if anyone cares to share ideas or insights on when the new status structure might come in, or perhaps just to speculate a bit. Don't worry if that's not you. Well done for noticing that a pandemic is in progress, though.
Dec 23, 2020, 2:12 am
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Yes. of course. And I would hope CS has more pressing concerns on his agenda just now than a new FF scheme- he has his team under JG etc. to do that. Still, I see no harm in a bit of informed speculation if people want to do that. If not, they don't have to.
Dec 23, 2020, 2:54 am
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And here's me thinking CS stood for Customer Service!
I can't speculate because I have simply no idea. But my fear is that they WILL introduce it in a year or so, but they will have spent the time eliminating all the sweet spots that led to a flurry of tickets being sold for trips to North Africa this coming January.
I can't speculate because I have simply no idea. But my fear is that they WILL introduce it in a year or so, but they will have spent the time eliminating all the sweet spots that led to a flurry of tickets being sold for trips to North Africa this coming January.
Dec 23, 2020, 3:36 am
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I have no more clues than other folks here.
Even years after the initial announcement I am still surprised that they went with this overly simplified class and "continental" system.
Here was their chance to mix in a spend based factor. Imagine HON being like UA Global Services... 🤔
Even years after the initial announcement I am still surprised that they went with this overly simplified class and "continental" system.
Here was their chance to mix in a spend based factor. Imagine HON being like UA Global Services... 🤔
Dec 23, 2020, 4:02 am
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I sometimes wonder what's more important to people- that they themselves get lounge access or that others don't get lounge access....
Dec 23, 2020, 4:35 am
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If you boil it down there is tension between the goals of the various parties:
The new system doesn't seem to tick any of the boxes...
The seem to have just focused on simplicity and mostly ignored everything else...
- LH group wants to encourage loyalty, ideally rewarding travellers in proportion to their profitability.
- Obviously a system based on "profitability" is a non-starter.
- "Revenue" is only a crude substitute but there aren't too many other alternatives.
- Travellers want:
- status that is easy to achieve, but not too easy so that it's value is diluted
- a system that is easy to understand, but still "fair"
The new system doesn't seem to tick any of the boxes...
- It's not revenue based.
- It's not "fair" because the "continental" split only has two tiers and buckets together hugely disparate routes and spends.
The seem to have just focused on simplicity and mostly ignored everything else...
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Dec 25, 2020, 6:37 am
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If you boil it down there is tension between the goals of the various parties:
The new system doesn't seem to tick any of the boxes...
The seem to have just focused on simplicity and mostly ignored everything else...
- LH group wants to encourage loyalty, ideally rewarding travellers in proportion to their profitability.
- Obviously a system based on "profitability" is a non-starter.
- "Revenue" is only a crude substitute but there aren't too many other alternatives.
- Travellers want:
- status that is easy to achieve, but not too easy so that it's value is diluted
- a system that is easy to understand, but still "fair"
The new system doesn't seem to tick any of the boxes...
- It's not revenue based.
- It's not "fair" because the "continental" split only has two tiers and buckets together hugely disparate routes and spends.
The seem to have just focused on simplicity and mostly ignored everything else...
Dec 25, 2020, 7:34 am
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Dec 25, 2020, 9:00 am
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Actually, the new system would have motivated me much more to travel in C, even if it meant buying cheap upgrades (it's always money in the bank for them and I get to climb the ladder quicker). The old system does not incentivize me in the slightest to consider buying business on European flights, the cheapest Y will do.
Dec 25, 2020, 10:32 am
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